@admin chittorgarh.com Admin i request you please available all comments on a single page also And also current way also run parallel I mean COMMENTS ON DIFFERENT BUYBACKS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A SINGLE PAGE
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I have tendered in Zerodha few days back but still shares not debited. In case of MOIL it was debit very fast post tendering. Zerodha showing order received. IS same case with other users?
ColdBurger ji, When you tender the shares, they will be blocked in the first instance. At the time of finalising the acceptance, all the tendered shares will be debited and then the unaccepted shares will be credited back to the Dmat account normally in a day or two.
ER is just 8% Hope AR is better and above 40%. Due to market conditions tough to guess. I exited @173 and think it was good decision in such turbulent times.
Yes AR will be around 35 to 40% .. it was good decision to exit st 173rs. I also sold 50% at rs 171.. Will go through buy back cycle for remaining 50%.. hope remaining unaccepted shares are only profit -free shares...
32.2. KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA|| Link|May 16, 2022 11:57:53 AM
Amit ji, I am also hopefully looking forward for the AR of around 40%. But I am afraid that it may be around 30% only. Let’s wait and see. Thank you.
@coldburger Exit at 173 was wise, you are making good money than participating in buybacks. This time AR will be less than 25%. Congratulations to all who skipped it
@coldbu.... You exited at right time, we failed to do so. AR about 35 to 40 is just like daydream. Considering market situation 20-25 is reality. I again repeating those days of buyback are gone.
Total retail quota is 8547820, individual bids 56099189 shares. assuming 40% of individual investors are retail, AR comes to around 38%.. let's see how will the final AR ..
32.6. KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA1|| Link|Jun 8, 2022 12:30:22 AM
Amit Sir, Thank you very much for your update regarding the bids submitted by individual investors and your assessment of the AR in respect of the Retail Category.
I need help in understanding how to participate in open market buyback. Do i need to place daily sell order @875? I had good qty of UPL but now only 16 left looking to exit these now.
Relived to see AP above 25%. It was quite worrying due to market condition and high tender volume. Missed @KSRK sir a lot during TCS buyback.. Went by his suggestion for MOIL and submitted all in TCS. Hope TCS will touch 4K figure soon. See the TATA ELEXI how it is on fire in this market condition. Missed great opportunity today, flat 10% gain in 2 hour was on card.
Seems AR will be not more than 25%. I thought BSE will have less bids but saw something startling. BSE itself have more than 200% bidding. Option to sell in open market must be considered.
BSE Total Bids: 8,68,97,818 https://www.bseindia.com/markets/publicIssues/BSEBidDetailsACQall.html?Scripcode=5687
NSE Total Bids: 1,25,31,030 https://www.nseindia.com/market-data/tender-issue-information?symbol=TCS&type=Active
@ksrk, @lokes @noorul...can anyone help...I have 44shares in icici dmat for tcs but haven't got any mail related to tcs buyback tender offer...what next to do?
@lokes Your secondary market understanding is very good and I need help. I want to exit and re-enter TCS as market condition bad. Which date I can sell TCS so I am still counted for buyback?
Thanks admin for clarification. If I have one qty as on record date and I buy later on but before tender windows 44 qty then will I be eligible to tender 44 qty in the buyback? Kindly clarify
@coldburger: you can see my below reply to snipperraj:
if you sell on 21st, then 100% not eligible for buyback no matter which broker you are using. if you sell on 22nd, then also its risky in case of buybacks, where sometimes if you sell on ex date then you are not eligible as seen many times before with multiple brokers. Buybacks are not like bonus/dividends where surely you will get benefit even if you sell on ex date. (may be from broker pool account etc which will not be applicable for buyback). Selling on 23rd feb will be safe, to be eligible for buyback.
@jethalal: Pasting again as i replied to @vantage in below post on this same page:
Retail category is decided by 2 lakh value of shares on record date as per share closing price on record date, no matter how many shares you sell/buy after record date. And Max shares we can tender as per held on record date, no matter how many times we are buying/selling after record date and how many shares holding after record date.
Price of MOIL on record date i.e. 31st Dec 21 was 169.10 which is lower than my acquisition cost per unit. Do I have any tax liability? Or it is Govt. liability to pay me refund 😊😁😁(on lighter note.. they are such a sucker...life goes paying tax..)
No tax liability on share tendered in buyback. even acquisition price of MOIL for me was Rs. 139 only, but hopefully I would not have to pay any LTCG on accepted shares under buyback.
Zerodha has not sent me any email to tender in Buyback!! They should send me email or not? Hope no trick here for me. Planning to submit tomorrow as price movement is bad.
There will not be any mail from Zerodha. Mail will come from registrar only. You can simply place buyback order for your shares in zerodha yourself in console/corporate actions.
20.1. KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA2|| Link|Jan 19, 2022 10:28:10 AM
Sir, Though it is correct, it is suggested to tender the maximum possible shares held on the Record Date to get the maximum benefit as AR is likely to be more than the ER due to non tendering of all the/some of the shares by the investors due to their own reasons. Thank you.
@Coldburger Your point is valid as ER is the minimum number of entitlement. But what will happen if you tender 1000 shares?
AR = ER +additional ratio, ER is constant so additional ratio will matter Suppose here additional ratio is 60% and you tender all 1000 shares, then number accepted will be 450 +60%×(1000-450) =450+330=780 So overall AR stands at 78% So in case of buyback tendering all shares is advisable.
@Asok Sarkar - In current market sell-off condition tendering all to buyback seems better. Thanks for your suggestion. Very unlikely it will cross 185 level which can give good profit in open sell. @KSRK sir is also in favour of tendering all. I do get confused sometimes mainly due to market volatility. Not sure which approch will yield better profit. So let go for tender all. Better for mental peace with no burden to track price every hour
@ Ashok asarkar, @ksrk ji- My only concern here is what if most investors take same approach and tender instead of open market sell? That will result in AR not exceeding 30% at max.? If that is true then my concern is genuine.. right? Most probably the tender offer window will face bearish market.
@Coldburger Moil is fundamentally a very strong company. It is undervalued because it is a psu. It is a big buyback of about 14.23%.Recently a trend is visible for buying by the retailers only for participating in Buyback ,the extent of which is not yet clear. But it will certainly reduce the AR. Here guess work will not do as because the picture will be clear only after the tendering process is concluded. In some earlier cases , in the same situation, I have enjoyed 80 to 100% AR. So a big AR can not be ruled out. So wait with patience . In this connection, take note of it that consequent upon buyback, the unacceped shares will carry an extra weight of 15% . Thanks
@Pigeon - I too had same question but i understood that 15% as the reduction of 15% shares from market. But still have one question- If those 15% extra shares are with the company then how it affects the value of remaining 85% of the equity? will those 15% shares cease to exist post buyback?
@ pigeon and @ Coldburger Company will buyback 14.23% share and money will come from the reserve of the company. So this shares will no longer exist. Suppose , the company had 100 shares in all .Post buyback the number will be 85.77. Earlier one share represented 1/100 of the company, Now it will ccarry 1/85.77 of the company.So post buyback weight of the share will be 100 ÷ 85.77 that means that the weight will increase by 16.6%. Thanks
From tomorrow we can tender in buyback. In IPO forum I read that if someone has only one share then tendering on first day of offer period results in 100 acceptance.. So is there anything related to better chance better we submit? Sorry if my question is foolish, first time going for buyback.
**typo & autocorrects spoiled the above post.... I mean to say if we tender tomorrow then we have better chance or the chance remain same even if we submit 1 day before offer end date?
**( Zerodha instruct to tender at least one day before offer end date).
its not "much wait" actually. Always it takes around 3 weeks for the ER mail to come after record date. Then buyback starts in around 4 weeks from record date.