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46. Little Star |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 5:18:17 PM
Price looks high if form sale?????
45. ran |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 5:00:10 PM
Egaleeyeji and Septa,
What is the opinion of both of you about Airan Ltd ipo .?
44. ayushgoel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 4:12:33 PM
CL Educate valuation from discounted cash flow method arrives at Rs 380-400 (as per my calculations)
I will avoid this IPO
43. Amish Shah |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 3:11:59 PM
NAV as on September 30, 2016 was Rs.214.27 (Page #105 of RHP)
42. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 3:03:42 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
CL Educate
GMP NIL




41. Pintoo |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 1:07:01 PM
Very high price
40. irrelevant |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 12:00:16 PM
gmp started 50
kostak 250
just one week left
39. prakash kundur |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 11:49:30 AM
CL EDUCATE IS A BIG AVOID.

The merchant bankers to the issue and the promoters have tried to catch on to the IPO momentum and squeeze the gullible investor, more so the retail category.

There is no justification for the sky high valuation and the P/E multiple this issue is targeting.

To quote the oft repeated advice:
Greed and Fear are the main reason for us to lose money.

Let''s not be greedy this time and show this issue it''s correct place namely the dust bin.

Let not retail investors think that there is always money to be made in IPOs.
Many high sounding IPOs have even after lapse of time, not touched their offer price.

There are good IPOs in the pipeline. This issue is not going to be the last IPO for investors!! Don''t rush where angels fear to tread.

AVOID.AVOID. AVOID AT ALL COSTS
38. chitra kamat |   Link |  Bookmark | March 13, 2017 4:14:17 PM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
On the face of it this IPO appears to be a clear avoid inspite of the brand equity enjoyed by verticals like career launcher as the pricing is way too high.
37. Sadu |   Link |  Bookmark | March 13, 2017 10:22:25 AM
Hi, CPSE ETF , if I apply will I get shares deposited into our demat account , or shall I trade like any other equity shares. Please explain some one seniors from this forum
37.2. SHASHANK K S |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 11:08:48 AM
Please apply. You will get 3,5% discount
37.3. Ankur Goell |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 3:07:36 PM
you will get units not share. These units will be traded as like share.
36. NRI Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | March 13, 2017 12:09:54 AM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Costly ipo. AVOID. Trying to get mint benefits of good sentiments of stock market.
35. pratik adhiya |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 10:30:26 PM
After dat which IPO is in pipeline during March month?
34. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 10:20:34 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
For third time this year, Gaja Capital to take the IPO route for partial exit

For third time this year, Gaja Capital to take the IPO route for partial exitPrivate equity firm Gaja Capital is about to mark its third partial exit through the IPO route this year as its portfolio company, CL Educate, gears up for its public market debut next month.

The CL Educate initial public offering of about 47 lakh shares, expected next month, will consist of about 20.6-lakh fresh shares and an offer for sale of up to 26.3-lakh shares by the company''s existing stakeholders.

The New Delhi-based education services venture, which is focused on test prep services and publishing, aims to raise about Rs 350 crore from the stake sale. The final offer documents are expected to be filed with the Securities & Exchange Board of India, the market regulator, later this month.

Retail and institutional investors will watch the IPO keenly, given that it is one of the few by an education services company in the recent past. Education companies that have gone public previously have had a poor track record.
For third time this year, Gaja Capital to take the IPO route for partial exitOn Tuesday, the Madras High Court appointed a provisional liquidator to take immediate possession of the assets of Everonn Education, following charges of fraud and misappropriation. Separately, it was reported that Zee Learn put its merger with Tree House Education on hold, deciding to re-evaluate the deal following the latter''s March quarter results.

"There have been significant governance issues in the past and we, as promoters, have been very sensitive about that. But we are hoping to change investors'' mindset and are confident that the market will view it positively," Nikhil Mahajan, chief financial officer of CL Educate, told ET.

The IPO will be the third in which Mumbai-headquartered Gaja Capital is participating in 2016 following the strong public market debuts of two portfolio companies, RBL and TeamLease. The issues were oversubscribed by 70 and 66 times, respectively.

"We took some counter-cyclical bets, given that India, for the period 2008-13, did not play out as per everybody''s expectations," said Gopal Jain, managing partner at Gaja Capital. "This new IPO market is characterised by growth and governance, which are much stricter filters, and are keeping away a lot of companies."

Gaja Capital invested in CL Educate in 2007 and holds about a 20% stake in the company, having cumulatively put in about Rs 78 crore.

It is expected to sell about a third of its holding. HDFC is the other major institutional stakeholder in the company.

"It is a robust IPO market, but there are also a fair number of companies that want to go public, but can''t, due to their lack of growth. TeamLease and CL Educate are our bets on the jobs market, which is a great derivative of the growth of the Indian economy," said Jain.

I t’s been a blockbuster year for the country’s IPO market, with 50 companies raising almost $3 billion. Another 22 companies are lined up for the year, according to Baker & McKenzie, bringing the year-end estimated total deal value to $5.8 billion, a six-year high.
33. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 10:18:07 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Only positive of this IPO Gaja Capital last two IPO from this PE have given handsome return RBL and Teamlease.
IF INVESTOR THINK THIS COMPANY A EMPLOYMENT SERVICE COMPANY THEN IT IS CHEAP IF THE INVESTOR THINK IT IS EDUCATION SERVICE BUSINESS THEN IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE

IMO CT EDUCATE IS AN EDUCATION SERVICE COMPANY WANT TO BE A EMPLOYMENT SERVICE COMPANY AND WHAT INVESTOR TO VAULE IT AS AN EMPLOYMENT SERVICE COMPANY....
33.1. Karan |   Link |  Bookmark | March 13, 2017 8:39:20 AM (200+ Posts)
Sir thanx a lot for your deep analysis..

32. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 9:34:04 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Cl educate subsidiary and Net profit break UP approx

1.CL Educate Ltd
Net profit 4.4 cr 6.6 cr 2015

Several sales and income tax cases have been pending ason 2016 total IT and service tax convent credit reversal totalling to 50 crs yap that is huge will have big effect on future earning for more details check the link
http://www.cleducate.com/pdf/financial/2016/CLE-Stansalone-Financials-2015-16.pdf

2.Career Launcher Education Infrastructure and Services Ltd
Net Profit 4.6 Crs

Income tax liability not yet paid close to 65 lakhs also lot of adjustment in regards with trade receivable to considerable improve the profit very fishy in come years this could be converted to unsecured loans or even bad debts for more details check the link http://www.cleducate.com/pdf/financial/2016/CLEIS-Financials-2015-16.PDF

3.Career Launcher Infrastucture Pvt. Ltd
Net Loss 1.4 Crs

more then 2 crs of trade receivable converted to unsecured loans which IMO is just loss not taken in book if not loss will be more. for more details http://www.cleducate.com/pdf/financial/2016/CLIP-Financials-2015-16.PDF

4.CL Media Pvt. Ltd
Net Profit 8.8 Crs
profits have 10 cr in 2015. here also we see 75 lakhs due to tax authority and all considerable increase in trade receivable and also considerable increase in payables http://www.cleducate.com/pdf/financial/2016/CLM-Financials-2015-16.PDF

5.G K Publications Pvt. Ltd

Net Loss 1.05 cr

nothing great small publishing company for more details
http://www.cleducate.com/pdf/financial/2016/GKP-Financials-2015-16.PDF

6. Kestone Integrated Marketing Services Pvt. Ltd
Net profit 7.4 CR
This the growth vertical however it too small

Now we know how each vertical is doing let puts some value to each business this Maximum value

1. CL Educate Ltd 4.4 * 18 PE = 79 Crs
2. Career Launcher Education 4.6* 18 PE 83 Crs
3. Career Launcher Infrastucture loss making (k12 type ) 30 crs since it PE of peers is around 12 so if i give it value of 30 cr which is very generous
4. CL Media Pvt. Ltd 8.8 Cr PE 25 220 CR
5. G K Publications i will actual put not more then 10 crs
6. Kestone marketing 7.4*25 185 crs

i get a total market cap of approx 600 Cr if put a holding company discount of 20% i get a total value of 480 Cr so approx 500 Crs

so based on outstanding shares 14163278 i get a fair value of Rs 353 even if i put 600 Crs i get fair value at Rs440

So with so many tax issue like quick heal and holding company issue of coffee day and corporate governance issue like precision camshaft

I am avoiding this IPO


32.1. prakash kundur |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 11:53:00 AM
Very solid analysis.

For the benefit of retail investors only one word should be sufficient.

AVOID
31. Splash |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 7:42:06 PM
Happy Holi to all :-)
30. R R Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 3:35:27 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 3400+ Likes)
I am more active from last 2 years for IPO issues and applied 1- 3 applications in every good IPO. I have follow the strategy that book partial profit on listing day or in the 1st week of listing and remain 20-25% for long term portfolio. Luckily i have never lose mony in any IPO because of skipping highly priced or poor IPOs and in good profit in following for long term:-
Laurus Lab (alloted)
PNB Housing Finance (alloted)
Enduranc Technology (buy on listing)
ICICI Prudential (alloted)
Advance Enzyme (buy on listing)
Quess Corp. (alloted)
Mahanagar Gas (buy on listing)
Ujjivan Finance (buy on listing)
Thyrocare Technology (buy on listing)
Equitas Holding (alloted)
Teamlease Services ( alloted )
Narayana Hrudayalya (alloted)
Dr. Lal Pathlab (alloted)
Alkem Lab (alloted)
S H Kelkar (buy on listing)
Indigo (alloted)
VRL Logistics (buy on listing)
Sharda Cropchem(buy on listing)
Wonderla Holidays (buy on listing)
Powergrid (alloted)
Snowman(buy on listing)
Bharti Infratel (alloted)
CARE (alloted)
I have missed the following to not in my portfolio at the time of IPO.
Sheela Foam (not applied )
RBL Bank(not alloted n not buy)
Bharat Wire Ropes(not applied )
Syngene International (missed unluckily )
Shree Pushkar Chemical (not applied )

Very impressed to Eagleye, Septa, Uchit Patel, Arjun and thanks to them. Unable to spend more time on Chittorgarh due to official assignment as I am (M-35) in Central Govt.
Expecting advice/comments from Eagleye, Septa, Uchit Patel, Arjun.............
HAPPY HOLI with Thanks
rrpjodhpur
30.1. Naruto |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 8:19:17 PM
Hi R.R.Patel,
I have just taken the demat account and subscribed to dmart ipo. I want to proceed with ipo strategy for some time. Your details are encouraging.
Any other suggestions that you''d recommend to keep in mind?
regards
N
29. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 2:50:16 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
As i said earlier this is a very interesting IPO major source of income comes from education related business model which has a very weak PE multiple and it has or planning to diversify into higher PE multiple growth sector. SO the valuation is somewhere in between U cannot put it valuation on higher side in area it want or planning to diversify at the same time you cannot value just based on its present educational business model..

I have been very unlucky investing in education sector two international listed business and one nifty listed stop has given me huge loss in two case the company have closed down i have lost all what i have invested. BTW at one point my investment these sector was sitting on 100% pus gains however when i could get out i did not in retrospect i should have booked profit when i was in positive. In all three cases it was corporate governance and debt

Anyway now to CL educate as i said earlier at 502 it will give it a market cap of 710 crs when it competitors in field of education have half the market cap approx 340 Crs had better profits then CL educate at 29 Crs however last quarter the result was bad considerable drop in revenue and the main reason is APP BASED AND WEB BASED COURSES LIKE BYJU HIT THE MARKET IMO CL EDUCATE WILL ALSO HAVE A SIMILAR EFFECT IN ITS FUTURE EARNING

so just based on it competitors i put a value of 300 Crs the big question is how much value u will put on its HR business if we geta break up and growth prospects then we could value this business however we need to give it a holding discount even if a safe say after holding company discount i cannot put more then 300 crs in regards to its HR business which is low margin high turnover business is very competitive so in total my safe value with past bad investment in this sector i can give it a max 600 Crs valuation i get approx Rs423 so issue should have come around Rs400

So I am going to avoid this IPO
1.I have bad luck investing in education sector
2. Holding company discount
3. HR business has future and it has mature in case of CL educate however it still risky
4. when u not sure why invest

SO I AM AVOIDING THIS IPO UNDER THIS GROUNDS
29.1. Vinod sanghvi |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 5:01:06 PM
Dear septa
With reference to your previous comment , can you enlighten cos with good time horizon (7-10 years)
29.2. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 8:30:25 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
i will select few sector
banking
airline
metal
petrolium both manufacture and marketing
auto
healthcare
build material
infra
media
IT


and pick some 3 to 4 stock which have good track records good management and hold for 7 to ten years
28. R R Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 2:31:01 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 3400+ Likes)
I think this IPO is not fairly priced and after seeing past track record of education sector like M T Educare, Tree House Education and Career Point Infosystems as these three has not given any worthy return in 5-6 years after listing.
Therefore, i am not going to apply for this IPO and also suggest the investors for avoiding this.

Yesterday''''s results are good for market sentimet now Modi Govt. may work more effectively.
Congratulations to team Chittorgarh for improving the platform time to time.
Happy holi
rrpjodhpur
27. gupa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 12, 2017 12:11:38 PM
Any gmp ?