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49. prakash kundur |   Link |  Bookmark | March 22, 2011 10:01:02 AM
An article from EQUITYMASTER.COM:

Should investors look for listing gains from 'bond IPOs'?

On the face of it, listing of bond issues adds another dimension to India's capital markets. Unfortunately, so does it to the woes of ignorant retail investors! Readers may recall our view on brokers trying to lure retail investors into applying for the SBI bond issue on their behalf. That itself was a criminal act in trying to manipulate market forces and cornering gains from the issue. But going a step forward, many retail investors have also been convinced of listing gains. The fact that institutional investors will get a pie of the bonds only when they start trading on the exchanges firms up this belief. And brokers themselves are the key facilitators of the investors' hunt for 'listing gains'.

But is "listing gain" the right way to look at a bond IPO? Bonds typically represent long-term investment opportunities. They are the safer investment destinations as compared to equities. The underlying principle of investing in a bond is to earn a stable income, through interest rates, and get back the principal investment at the time of maturity. However, by treating it as any other IPO and looking at the listing gains only, the entire purpose of bond investing gets defeated. The investment mentality switches to the short-term investing and that is not what investing in bonds is about. One may make some gains through listing but one may also end up getting stuck with a terrible issue that falls flat on its face. And this one issue is enough to wipe out all the gains made.
Should investors look for listing gains from 'bond IPOs'?
Therefore, it is important to remember the basic principle. When investing, whether it's a bond or an equity stock, one must look at the fundamentals of the underlying asset. Once the investor is sure about the fundamental strength then the best way to maximize your gains would be to remain invested over the long-term.
48. Bj |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 11:15:01 PM
Hi,
Is it true that we will also be entitled to interest between allotment date and 1st april at 9.95 percent ?
47. Thiru kumar |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 11:04:33 PM
Is Lovable share are credited to the dmate account? can any body answer.and when is the listing day?
46. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 9:50:21 PM
gane

i dont know that....
but investment in this co is unwarranted.....

this is old news many insider know this as the stock fell from 450 to 100 in 6 month....
45. Gane |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 9:48:16 PM (400+ Posts)
Gem,

So one can short db realty tomorrow?

Gane.
44. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 9:44:46 PM
hi BOARDERS

i have decided to warne all the investor everytime i get a negative concrete news about a co ........

today's warnning is on these 2 cos:-

1) DB REALTY
2) VISHAL RETAIL

DB REALTY:-

the co's directors and major shareholders have connection with " dawood ebrahim" and " lashker-e-toyaba nad invole in 2g scam, a phone call has been made from db realty's office to "LET" -- SOURCE STAR NEWS

VISHAL RETAIL:

i have seen this co more than anyone here in this forum ( its first store, its promoter was my senior ex-college student etc)......
the co had 2 business , wholesale and retailing of garments....
both the business has been soldand debt is partly paid off with that money...
now the co still has debt to be paid but no business or major asset left , i m expecting the stock price to be 000000 now @ 32



43. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 6:56:37 PM
HI FRIEND (NAME WITHHELD),

Q1. My sales on Delivery come around 14 lakhs.

(a) While calculating STCG can I deduct my loss from my profit? What is the % of STCG?

ANS:-

YES, YOU CAN SET-OFF STCG WITH STCL

Q2. Intraday sales on stocks come around 8 lakhs.

(a) Whether this will be treated as speculative transaction? I gained around Rs. 4000/- But lost around Rs. 10,000/- Some people say that I have to pay tax for Rs. 4000/- and the loss will not be taken into account. What is the % of the speculative business tax?

ANS:-

AS PER SECTION 43(5) OF INCOME TAX ACT SPECULATIVE TRANSACTION MEANS A TRANSACTION IN WHICH A CONTRACT

FOR THE PURCHASE/SALE OF A COMMODITY (INCLUDING SHARES) IS PERIODICALLY ORULTIMATELY SETTLED OTHERWISE THAN BY THE ACTUAL DELIVERY OR TRANSFER OF THE COMMODITY.

YOU CAN SET-OFF SPECULATION LOSS FROM SPECULATION PROFIT.

3. Sales on NIFTY options come around Rs. 30000/- (only premium).

(a) I gained around Rs. 5000/- and lost around Rs. 10000/- Is this speculative transaction or normal transaction?

ANS:
TRADING IN DERIVATIVES CARRIED OUT IN A RECOGNISED STOCK EXCHANGE SHALL NOT BE TREATED AS SPECULATIVE TRANSACTION . THIS IS CAPITAL GAIN /LOSS

Q4. Intraday sales on NIFTY options come around Rs. 80000/- (only premium).
(a) I gained around Rs. 3000/- and lost around Rs. 1000/-

ANS:
TRADING IN DERIVATIVES CARRIED OUT IN A RECOGNISED STOCK EXCHANGE SHALL NOT BE TREATED AS SPECULATIVE TRANSACTION . THIS IS CAPITAL GAIN /LOSS

Q.6 Whether I have to maintain a Book to enter all these transactions? Or only the Financial Statement from my DP is enough?

ANS:
NO NEED TO MAINTAIN BOOKS, DOCUMENTS FROM DP IS ENOUGH.

Q.7.If I approach an auditor what he will ask from me? Whether he will calculate all these on behalf of me? (I hope Tax auditing is not required in my case.) Or only for filing the Returns I have to approach him.

ANS:
NO NEED TO GO TO A AUDITOR, U DONT NEED AN AUDIT JUST CONTACT ANY TAX FILLING AGENT.

Q.8 My total earnings (after deducting losses) come around Rs. 50000/- for the accounting year. Whether I need to pay tax?

ANS
NO, BUT FILE UR RETURN.
42. singhisking |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 6:28:57 PM
it seem that people dont understand simple english and are intentionally posting irrelevant posts in the discussions...why are they discussing sbi bonds in shilpi cables posts
41. RAJA RAJKOT |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 6:08:19 PM
WHAT ABOUT THIS ISSUE GOOD OR BED
40. Divyrajeshm |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 5:49:14 PM

Index

Notice no :       20110321-15       Notice date :       Monday, March 21, 2011
Category :       Company related
Segment :       Debt
Subject :       Listing of Bonds of State Bank Of India.



Content



Trading Members of the Exchange are hereby informed that the under mentioned Bonds of State Bank of India are admitted to dealings on the Exchange with effective from Wednesday, March 23, 2011 in the list of "F GROUP". The details of the bonds are as mentioned below:-
39. m.l.a. |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 5:21:49 PM
dear ipofinder sir, thanks for your timely suggestion, ihave made ARRANGEMENT TO STOP PAYMENTFOR MY ALLAPPLICATION.
38. Jigar K Shah |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 2:20:19 PM
Pls. discuss about shilpi cable. Everyone is writing for sbi bonds. how is company ? what is gmp ? whether to apply or not ?
37. IPOFIRE |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 2:15:24 PM
DEAR INVESTOR SBI BOND AS PER BOOK CLOSER OF SBI BOND TYRE 3 and 4 DATE IS 17/03/11 AND INTEREST OF DATE 16th MAR 2011 TO 31st MAR 2011 IS CREDITED IN ACCOUNT AT 01st APRIL 2011 RATE OF 9.50 AND 9.995 FOR 3 AND 4 SO ENJOY MORE 0.40% INTEREST ON INVESTMENT.IF WE SOLD ON LISTING BUT INTEREST IS CREDITED IN FIRST INVESTOR
36. brijsons |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 1:41:48 PM
as per my knowledge SBI bond lists on 23rd. please recheck
35. IPORAJAIPO |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 11:50:52 AM
reply gmp &kostak of shilpi
34. sbb |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 10:09:56 AM
sbi bond listing date is 22/03/2011
33. Fools brooker |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 9:33:46 AM
SBI BONDS
THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN OD ON THE BONDS AT 11% FOR LISTING GAINS OF RS 400 TO RS 500 ON RS 10000 ARE LOSING PATIENCE AND NOW LOSING MONEY AS THE BONDS HAVE NOT LISTED
NOW OVER MONTH HAS PASSED
32. bangalore king |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 7:28:55 AM (400 Posts)
SBI bonds likely to yield 5% returns on Street debut

MUMBAI: Largest lender State Bank of India's (SBI) retail bonds , which were bid over four times the offer and were beyond the reach of millions of investors, may yield a 5% return. The attractive yields may prompt institutional investors who did not get those bonds in public sale to lap up when they trade, say investment advisors.

The Rs 10,000 face value bonds may be traded in Rs 10,400-10 ,500 range, reflecting the grey market trading value. "I expect these bonds to get listed at minimum Rs 10,400-10 ,500. Because at this level, it will also offer 9.15-9 .30% interest over a 15-year period.

With considerable interest from institutional investors such as retirement funds and not many primary issuances expected, these bonds may see a price of Rs 10,600, resulting in an yield of 9%," says the head of fixed income at a domestic broking firm. The 9.5% SBI 2025 bond is now trading at a yield of around 9.15- 9.18%. SBI's Rs 2,000-crore public sale of 10-year bonds at 9.75% and 15-year ones at 9.95% with call options, last month, received bids for around Rs 8,500 crore.

While more than two lakh retail investors got full allotment, funds and wealthy individuals who bid for more than Rs 5 lakh were given just a fourth of what was bid for. It was allotted on a firstcome-first-serve basis.

The bonds, considered near sovereign, yielding more than a percentage point, will be a draw for insurance companies, pension funds and other long term investors. There are many retail investors, too, who missed the bus since they were accepted in just 126 or less than a percentage of its branches.

Middle class investors in smaller towns and retirees complained that they were being discriminated against which bank chairman OP Bhatt said would be rectified during the next sale. The sale was supposed to take the bond culture to retail investors had just one collection centre in Guwahati for eight North-Eastern states.

Bihar and Jammu & Kashmir had one each and Gujarat, the most prosperous state, at least 15, and Mumbai alone seven. The early gains may not last, given that some investors may flip and that there are prospects of higher rates, given the Reserve Bank of India's continuation of anti-inflationary stance.

"There could be some selling pressure for listing gains by those who had bought the issue to flip. Long-term investors should not sell on listing," says Vishal Dhawan, founder, Plan Ahead Wealth Advisors. The interest received on these bonds will be treated as income from other sources and shall form a part of the total income of the assessee in that financial year in which they are received. There are no tax benefits for investing in these bonds.
31. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 12:02:11 AM (200+ Posts)
Innoventive IPO where Standard Chartered has taken a 10 % per ipo stake is expected with IPO shortly alongwith Muthoot IPO

Any views on these
30. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | March 21, 2011 12:00:45 AM (200+ Posts)
How is the Shilpi cable Ipo from punting point of view?

A few of the regular IPO investors who hit jackpot in Fineotex,Acropetal & Sudar seems bullish on this IPO as well.

Views invited.