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Infinite Computer Solutions India Ltd IPO Message Board (Page 14)

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40. vivek |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2010 10:48:12 AM
SMC Infinite Computer Solution:

The brokerage house has maintained a neutral view on the IPO. The reasons and outlook are as under:

The company holds less dominant position in the IT industry along with a severe competitive domain environment. Huge reliance on top few clients apart from enormous concentration on the US region for its revenue is a bit of concern. Although the company`s efforts to diversify currently concentrated client base and geographical presence is positive. Moreover, companies plan to foray into higher margin businesses like infrastructure management services and Intellectual property (IP) development services from its existing lower margin service lines like application development and maintenance and testing services could be another booster for the company.
39. Saharanpuri |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2010 10:46:16 AM
BL has given an AVOID rating & Crisil again only a very poor 2 /5 rating.merchant banker is an unknown SPA merchant .Better buy from market cos like Zylog system & Sonata software available at pe of 6-7.
38. Rakesh jhunjhun |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2010 10:42:37 AM
CURRENT GMP

INFINITE Rs.10

CRISIL RATING 2. MEANS BELOW AVERAGE & POOR FUNDAMENTALS

BUSINESS LINE SAYS AVOID IT
37. MEHUL SHAH |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2010 9:16:50 AM
At the issue price of Rs 155 – 165 on consolidated EPS of Rs 10.2 for FY 2009, the PE works out to 15.1 – 16.1 times. The company has seen a very robust FY 2009 and first half of FY 2010, when the general industry trend was negative to sluggish. Backed by growth in top 10 clients and change in business model, the Company reported 43% growth in operating revenues and 159% jump in net profit for FY2009, For H1FY2010, it has already done 65% of FY2009 revenues and 82% of FY2009 net profit. On annualized basis, FY 2010 consolidated EPS comes to Rs 19.1 and PE comes down to 8.1 – 8.6 times.

Think Seriously. P.E. is in Single Digit for FY 10 Earnings
36. vaisakh |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2010 9:08:43 AM
Avoid- Business Line
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Investors can give the initial public offering of Infinite Computer Solutions, an IT services provider, a miss considering the relatively high valuation that it demands and the several business challenges that the company faces.

At the upper end of the price band (Rs 155-165), the offer is priced at 16 times its 2008-09 per share earnings and about 14 times its likely 2009-10 earnings, both on a post offer equity base.

This is at a premium to most small- and mid-tier IT companies. Although larger in size, Sasken Communications, which also has a telecom focus, trades at 12 times trailing earnings. Others mid and small IT companies such as Zylog Systems and Sonata Software trade at single digit PE multiples.

Infinite has seen its revenues grow at a compounded annual rate of 13 per cent over 2005-09 to Rs 495.8 crore. The profit growth has been inconsistent and top-line growth has been lower than other mid-tier IT companies. Much of even these figures of Infinite is distorted by the FY09 numbers when it registered a 45 per cent growth in revenues and more than doubled its profits over FY08, thanks to ramp up of one client and signing up another large one.

From a loss recorded at the net level in 2005-06, the company reported small profits in the subsequent year and a spike in the year after. Net margin has remained in the 2-5 per cent range for most of the last few years, spiking to 9 per cent in 2008-09.

From a business perspective, high client concentration, heavy US dependence and dollar dependence and a service-mix that largely tends towards low-margin ones are key negatives. A high onsite component also makes for high costs, reducing the edge over competitors.

Among macro trends in the IT industry, vendor consolidation undertaken by clients could result in several smaller players such as Infinite losing out to top-tier players. In the low-end services segment, the number of players vying for deals is large , which brings in pricing and other competitive pressures on the company.

Business Challenges

Infinite provides IT services to a limited set of verticals. Telecom (59.4 per cent of revenues) and healthcare (16.6 per cent) are its largest verticals. Its top five clients contribute close to 80 per cent of revenues, with its top-client (IBM) accounting for nearly 40 per cent of revenues. Though smaller companies do have higher client concentration, these levels seem quite high.

In recent interactions with the media, many large IT services players have indicated that telecom and manufacturing are not yet out of the woods.

This means that Infinite, with its heavy dependence on telecom, faces added risks on volume growth on this front.

The presence of players such as Tech Mahindra and Sasken Communications with greater execution capabilities, especially on the R&D front, a key to success in the telecom vertical, as well as top-tier IT layers puts heavy competitive pressure on Infinite.

The presence in the healthcare vertical though is welcome, especially as activity on this from clients may improve when the US passes the healthcare reforms Bill. The company also delivers lower-billed services such as application development and maintenance and testing, which account for over three-fourths of revenues. This space is a highly crowded one, what with companies of all sizes and especially the mid-tier ones looking to tap these non-discretionary deals from clients. These services are also exposed to pricing pressures.

Macro factors skewed

Another point of concern for the company is that the US contributes nearly 90 per cent of the company's revenues. With the rupee appreciating against the dollar from 51 levels to 45.6, and a weak dollar predicted for some time to come, smaller companies such as Infinite would be hard hit on the realisation front.

From a cost perspective, the company derives over 70 per cent of revenues from services delivered from onsite locations.

This creates a sub-optimal structure as these are high-cost revenues and would significantly affect margin.

The proportion of offshore revenues has increased in recent years, but it is still quite a way away from the ideal proportion.

Vendor consolidation undertaken by several large clients in recent times, where they restrict their projects to two or three large Indian vendors apart from a few global ones, has also meant that smaller players such as Infinite may find the equation skewed against them.

The Issue

Infinite is offering 11.5 million equity shares to raise about Rs 190 crore (at the upper end of the price band) which includes an offer for sale of about 5.76 million shares by existing shareholders
35. Rajesh |   Link |  Bookmark | January 10, 2010 12:51:45 AM
Hi all
Compair to recently IT COs.
Thinksoft ,Excell , Edserve , Vishal Info , Etc.Sasken communication Infinite is definately O V E R - P R I C E D.
D O N ' T - A P P L Y .
Avoid -- Businessline
34. ravi |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 9:22:39 PM
I have couple of doubts on authenticity of results of this company. This company seems to have 91% dependence on revenue from USA and for last 1 year everybody knows how the outsourcing scenario has been. In this weird situation when all the companies were having a hard time improving their profits....this company made a profit growth of 44% ...which looks very huge.
if we keep aside this and assume that this ipo is available at a decent valuation of 10 pe ... then i guess we can apply for this ipo
33. Choor bajaar |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 7:41:18 PM
Sensex 31638.83 tak ja sakta hi.
32. NITIN |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 7:28:36 PM
it is gud website to know abt d new ipo
31. eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 5:17:18 PM
Current GMP 40/-

2009-2010 EPS Rs 19.25 (post issue , fully diluted)
2010-2011 EPS Rs 25.00

Therefore,

a) Listing Price target = Rs.230
(considering a PE of 12 for 2010)

b) 1 year Price target = Rs.325
(considering a PE of 13 for 2011)
30. raja |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 3:08:11 PM
crisil rating 2only it mean a lutera ipo beware
29. IMRAN |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 2:43:55 PM
Mein 280 share (7LOT) k leya aplay karunga for listing gain
28. IMRAN |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 2:33:04 PM
HI friends JSW ENERGY K BAAD YE Eak Acha gain hosakta hai wese group good 7 to 8 KE P/E pe mil raha hai es sector k dusre share 25 se 30 K P/E PE CHAL RAHE HAI MEIN SUBSCRIB KARUNGA MUJE ACHE LISTING GAIN KI UMMID HAI SAYAD 10 % 20 % TAK GAIN KI UMMID HAI MUJE
PROFIT 40 TO 50 % YOY GROUTH 15 % AVRGE YOY P/E 7 TO 8 @ IPO PRICE ACHA SUBCIPTION NA HO TO BHI 10% TO 20 % GAIN KI UMMID HAI LISTING K DIN
27. ipo raja |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 2:26:18 PM
To,
vinod
this will oversubscribe in
Retail Category below 1 time
means full allotment to retail beeders
BE CAUTIOUS ! ! ! !
26. vinod |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 11:40:14 AM
infinite comp. what are the expection of oversubscribe in retail portion
25. Satyendra |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 11:16:28 AM
Company has seen its revenues grow 44% in FY09 even on the back of the global slowdown, while Larger companies like Infosys and TCS grew by 30% and 22%, Concern is dependency on few clients/USA and CARE rating.
PositivE Fact

1-Balance sheet/Mgt are gud.
2-Looking indian RIM Market
3-Expansion plan is expected

Valuation are reasonable compare to MASTEK And NUCLEUS.

LISTING GAIN are EXPECTED? WHAT U SAY!!!!!
24. Dipak |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 10:04:27 AM
Hi,

i did worked with this company in 06-07 period, fundamentals are not good but management is solid...the worry thing is their clients are not making long term relationship with them...i mean every year new addition of client but at the same time they are not able to retain the old clients
23. Raja Babu |   Link |  Bookmark | January 9, 2010 8:15:25 AM
Aab aa raha hai, Ek baar phir se aap logo ke liye Paise Doobane ka Saandar Mauka.

Reliance Power (Alliance Power) - Lost only 40%
NHPC (Nahi Hai Public Company) - Lost only 30% - PSU
Indiabulls Power (India Bear Power) - Lost only 30%
Euro Multivision (Door Raho Multivision) - Lost only 40%

Now. Government is planningto LOOT the retail investors by FPO in NTPC, REC and NMDC in February.

Government is not happy with small loss to Investors in NHPC because NHPC has given only approx. 10% loss. This is very less compare to Government expectations. Hence he will try to bring FPO at maximum rates in these FPO's. So that there may be more and more loss to Retail Investors

Be ready to apply at maximum rates in these FPO's. After FPO these rates will be down by 30% as happens in NHPC.

We dont' believe on Government PSU as his policy is to LOOT the investors. That's why we all have exit on listing day i.e. @ 36/-.

HAPPY LOSS TO ALL WHO ARE PLANNING TO APPLY FOR THESE FPO's
22. JKG |   Link |  Bookmark | January 8, 2010 11:43:25 PM
Go for listing gain of 10 to 15 %,subject to market conditions.
21. ipoipo |   Link |  Bookmark | January 8, 2010 10:17:26 PM
@22.inder :
This guy is body supplier. means supplying contractual labour (software ppl.) to IBM and later on has acquired good clients withine some large corporation in USA by supplying cheap software labour. Basically to maintain telecom software you do not need so much skill. Through good staffing skill, uptill now he is able to Hold on to those large accounts. Now he is trying to outgrow himself for a large role.

Read his interview :
He say he is doing
"application management outsourcing=Read supplying contractual software labour manpower",
"infrastructure management=Read computer mantainance work at client site as well as
"research & development (R&D) - ????" and
"intellectual property leverage solutions - Does not posses any IP himself"
It is all jugulary of words.

However there is speculative interest building up and ppl are comparing with mind tree and TechM. wow! that will give him great PE multiples.

So question is weather it will pop on day 1, 9am ?? That depends upon who is managing speculation ?