QIB has to subscribe min 90% of their quota...if any quota not subscribed fully ..left over shares distributed to other categories as per category weightage...
295.2. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 6:27:38 PM
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Not in this issue. If QIB don''t apply then unsubscribed portion will shift to other categories. Given anchor names i am surprised that why do you see that QIBs will not come into this issue. I can understand if you have just started applying in IPOs during covid times
As per info QIB portion is already subscribed or arranged they got enough parties to put some 1400Cr cheques already given. It appears those are standby arrangements. Only question is how many times NII & RII will go.
Just remember we all are here to make some money and Govt is the biggest business man in Country & needs lots of money to give freebies to so called BPL card holders so their vote banks remain intact, so they need lots of money. Railways is the priority in PM''s dream projects. So issue will not fail we may be for a shock that it gets so much over subscribe that getting allotment may become impossible.
Better to open demat account of your father, open in Groww zero cost and if your dad have registered mobile number with addhar it can be easy to open in 1 day complete paperless.
Based on employees subscription figure, it can not be concluded that IPO of IRFC is good. I know employees are dictated to buy the shares, Even loan is given to employees to subscribe in the issue. Unless GMP cross 10 Rs., issue is not worth applying. I will prefer Home First and Indigo paints though chances of allotment are remote.
I am just trying to understand one thing, 50 Lacs worth of shares are reserved for employees. Now the total employees in the company are 24 (yes its 24 only as per RHP).
Also it says this reservation is only for ''Eligible'' employees, so assuming such employees are even less than 24. Now on the first day today the employee portion is oversubscribed 12 times that is they have bidded 6 cr. which works out to average 25 lac per employee even if we assume all 24 employees are eligible. Would everyone really bid such a large amount?
292.4. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 19, 2021 8:15:20 AM
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In HHFC preferential allotment was done at Price of around Rs 334 on 15th Oct 2020. What has changed to warrant such jump in IPO price to 518 compared to book value of Rs 119?
Abhib, there also could be possibility that retailers or other non eligible railway employees might applied with IRFC employee category... as this quota size is very small it''s bot actually sense a lot ... We need to see how HNI and QIBs subscription on last day...
291. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 12:52:00 PM
IPO Guru (1900+ Posts, 1600+ Likes)
It is surprising to see 50 lakh share application at Rs. 25. Who are these smart investors? My sense is that they dont know concept like cutoff etc
Bro Price Bid meaning Not just Lower price.. Some time people Not Apply cut off price , and write 26Rs .... check Bse nse demand then clear your doubt
291.2. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 3:31:34 PM
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I am aware of that but you dont fight data. Data from NSE screen Price Cumulative Quantity Cut-Off 29,61,18,675 26 40,55,41,175 25 41,11,73,300 Question is who are people who applied at 411173300 minus 405541175 shares at Rs 25
Yes there are lots of newbie..who don''t know what price to enter...as per exchange data even few employees applications are also bidded at lower price...
291.4. jajo| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 9:57:44 PM
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It could be possible some smart group of operators wants to show huge investor demand on day one to attract subscriptions in view of all 3 IPOs are opening at a time, and also since IRFC commands meagre grey market premium
@arunArun and Krishna ji, Bidding is either on price point Or cutoff. When we choose cutoff, it is the only choice. But when we choose price point, you can give up to three choices in a single form. The money blocked by bank is the highest of the price point. So those who whose price bid, both Rs 25 and 26 bid are entered in that form, but the money blocked is at Rs 26
Read those who choose price bid in place of who whose price bid
291.8. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 19, 2021 7:19:38 AM
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That is the precise point. Assumption is if you are willing to buy at 26 then you will be willing to buy at 25. But some people forms has only 25 as the figure as they are willing to buy only at 25 not at 26. My message was to point that out that this part of subscription has no meaning i.e. around 1 crore of shares bided at Rs 25
I am just copying the beautiful remarks of two gentlemen made earlier in the same context wrt making of unwanted comments. All the forum members may please take them in to consideration. Calling out names is uncalled for. Such messages need to be moderated. No one tells anyone under gun point to apply or not to apply. Every one has the rights to go wrong. Even the best of fund managers can at best be right 70-75% of times. Beauty lies in listening to all both pros and cons and finally acting on our wisdom and hoping to be right. If one depends and acts on others advice for direct equity investing, he/she is not fit for direct equity. Rather, they should opt for mutual funds.
@ayush, Yes, You can apply. Register your parents PAN and demat details as a beneficiary. In SBI net banking ASBA you can register 5 persons with different PAN.
Krishna and Jain ji, There is no comparison of this company to anyone. It''s a financer to Indian railway for logistic, infrastructure etc. 10-15% appreciation every year for shareholders. Not a rocket like other IPO. Market is in correction mode, GMP of any company does not sustain in this environment.
@ganesh ji, you are absolutely right, that market is in correction mode which is very necessary for healthy run. But after analysing it''s financials and monopoly business and huge investments coming in railways, i think in short term it will give decent returns.....
I had applied IRFC IPO vai Zerodha then I deleted the order. However, I have accepted the mandate later.
I have applied again for IRFC IPO and accepted the mandate.
So, Will it consider a single application or multiple applications? Although, the same account/PAN used both times. Does someone have an idea about it?
283.1. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 6:56:36 PM
IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 900+ Likes)
Entire Employee quota is 50 Lac Rupees ( 192307 x 26 ) . In a Rs. 4500 Crore plus IPO , How should this quota make a difference. This IPO is a - TRAP , Beware retailers , Half of IPO shares for retailers , Expansive valuations compaired to PFC , REC and HUDCO .
If there are only 24 employees and one employee can get maximum 2 lacs amount of shares if employee quota subscription is overloaded...then how much you should think they should reserve for employees for 4k+ CR ipo???
Half of IPO shares for retailers ? bhai tu calculation kar le pahale shanti se baithke, phir comment kar.
281.4. SANJEEV SOOD| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 5:18:26 PM
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Each one of these 24 employees has put in application worth 30 lacs ( 13.6 times oversubscrived ) , Write only authentic information in response , not crap
281.5. SANJEEV SOOD| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 5:34:57 PM
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Tune kar liya calculate ???
281.6. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 6:24:37 PM
IPO Guru (1900+ Posts, 1600+ Likes)
Yes we agree with you. All the application are not from IRFC employees. But people who have put wrong application suffer blockage of the amount in their account. i feel some railway persons have put application by mistake in this category
How are they misleading you is more important. Total amount subscribed in this category is 6.5 crore but retail has put more than 2000 crores in this issue with nearly 8 lakh application.
Where is the trap?
281.7. lekker| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 6:39:27 PM
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Be specific when you are saying 1/2 shares are for RII, i think you missed anchor portion shares. RII Quota is 35% in this IPO.
Apply it as FD investment. In 10yrs your cost will be recovered with dividends alone. Whatever price it will trade will be just an extra return for you.
280. Eagleye| Link| Bookmark|
January 18, 2021 4:47:38 PM
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Indian Railway Finance Corporation IPO – *Market’s Current Estimates of oversubscription*:
NII = 15.00K Crs. = ~21.58X RII = 20.00L Forms = 1.84X Applic. wise (Avg allotment of ~312.37 shares per lot)
Interest cost *@9.00%p.a.* for 7days = 4.49paise for 1X
Thus, for NII the costing = 21.58 X 4.49paise = Rs.0.97 per share (= GMP)
And, for RII the costing = 0.97 X 312.37 = Rs.303/- (= Kostak)