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25. sanju |   Link |  Bookmark | June 29, 2007 2:53:31 PM
what is the minimum lot i can apply so that i can get sure allotement
24. kpreddy |   Link |  Bookmark | June 29, 2007 1:14:20 PM
HI market expert,
How can you compare it with DLF?
DLF share face value is 2Rs. issue price band 500-550Rs.
Fcae value for HDIL is 10Rs and price band 430-500Rs.
So HDIL is around 5 times cheaper than DLF.
23. Markt Expert |   Link |  Bookmark | June 29, 2007 1:00:34 PM
by experience i am telling all of you guys please avoid this IPO, its proce is too much, i bet definetly on issue price itslef it loose 50%. if u want to buy buy it on dip.
as compared to DLF its even not equel to 25%, then how can u buy at 430-500 price band.
be carefull, n dont go by TV or magzin.
aprt from his upto u guys...
22. Vikram |   Link |  Bookmark | June 28, 2007 10:27:35 PM
Housing Development and Infrastructure Ltd (HDIL) - Niche Brokerage Review

We recommend Investors to "Subscribe" to HDIL issue based on its position as a leading SRS developer along with strong presence in Mumbai Metropolitan Region. HDIL has the huge potential upside from the commercial real estate and retail exposure & huge opportunities related to Dharavi redevelopment, were in HDIL is intending to bid and is at the advantageous position on the back of its track record of successful transformation of SRS rehabilitation.

Concerns:
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1. Competition: The real estate development industry in India, while fragmented, is highly competitive. HDIL has to face competition in the Mumbai Metropolitan Region from various regional companies, including Hiranandani Developers, Raheja Group, Kalpataru Developers, the Marathon Group, the Lokhandwala Group, and Akruti Nirman Limited and across India from DLF Group, the Ansal Group, Parsvanath Developers and Unitech Limited.

2. Asset Cycle: Over the last couple of years, the real estate sector has been booming particularly the MMR has recorded steep increase in land prices. These higher prices expose HDIL to an asset cycle risk, as any fall in prices would be significantly affecting and impacting its cash flows & profitability.

3. Slow down in Demand on the Adverse Interest rate: Over the last couple of years, the boom in the real estate was complemented by soft interest rates and higher tax benefits which resulted in speedy bookings of residential units by customers on expectations of further rise and giving exit opportunities with adequate cash flows for the investors. However, with the hardening interest rates and genuine customers adopting wait-and-watch approach, HDIL’s may be impacted with its ability to generate higher profits & speedy cash flows to fund its existing / start new projects.

4. Geographical Concentration: HDIL having nearly 83% of its Land Reserve within MMR region, HDIL is exposed to the regional slowdown in demand in construction or Infrastructure projects. Also, any changes in the Government policies in the forthcoming Housing Policy and Urban land Ceiling and Regulation Act getting repealed could open up huge supply of Land, which could have the negative affect on the demand- supply and pricing trends.
21. raghu |   Link |  Bookmark | June 28, 2007 6:32:15 PM
The grey market premium =(list price - issue price).
It is not the Last trade price or Previous close as you are looking at.
Meghamani had premium of 10 to 11 Rs and it did list at Rs 33.
Nelcast had premium of Rs 5 to Rs 6 and it did list at Rs 252.
20. Sundaram.J.S. |   Link |  Bookmark | June 28, 2007 5:43:23 PM
Hi,
The issue size is 3crores x Rs 500 at the upper band....
And it is subscribed 0.2 times on the opening day....
Since it is a huge issue of 1480 crores approximately & it is subscribed 0.26 times on the first day, it is a good sign for the ISSUE....

Regards,
Sundaram.J.S.
19. ketanjhaveri |   Link |  Bookmark | June 28, 2007 1:16:37 PM
hi,
on account of me one should wait and watch for last day to invest.
18. raghu |   Link |  Bookmark | June 28, 2007 11:31:21 AM
Grey market premium Rs 80-85/-.
Looks expensive at Rs 500/-.
Better to avoid is what i feel.
Price Band of Rs 430-Rs 450/- would have been reasonable.
17. Sudhakar P |   Link |  Bookmark | June 28, 2007 10:11:02 AM
Is the Price Band is reasonable to Aplly or not.
Thank Q
16. Vikram |   Link |  Bookmark | June 27, 2007 8:58:36 AM
Housing Development and Infrastructure (Capital Market Review)

CM RATING: 46/100

Strengths
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1. HDIL has land reserves of approximately 112.1 million square feet of saleable area to be developed through 32 ongoing or planned projects. The company has 21 ongoing projects under construction and development, aggregating to approximately 45.5 million square feet of saleable area, and has 11 planned projects aggregating approximately 66.6 million square feet of saleable area. Of the land reserves, about 73.4% is actually owned by the company; and 15.7% of it is to be acquired under memoranda of understanding (MoU) and agreements. But these MoUs do not have any revocation clauses. Another 10.9% of the land reserve is under joint venture with partners. The execution, however, rests with HDIL.

2. Has received in-principle approval from the Ministry of Commerce and Industry to develop, operate and maintain multi-services special economic zones (SEZs) in its name. However, given the uncertainty in SEZ regulations, HDIL has still not decided whether it would develop them on its own or in collaboration with others.

3. Land bank has been built historically at a weighted average cost of Rs 200 per square feet.

4. Advances from customers are Rs 512.1 crore end March 2007, representing amounts that have been received from customers but not booked by the company as sales. As and when the projects are completed, this amount will percolate to the top line. This represents 43% of the reported FY 2007 revenue. There was an inventory of Rs 1324.48 crore (approximately 98% constitutes work in progress) end March 2007.

5. Under Section 80-IB (10) of the Income-Tax Act, 1961, real-estate companies are eligible for 100% deduction of the profit derived from development and building of housing projects for middle-income small families approved before end March 2007 by a local authority. The company has approved tax-exemption projects with estimated sales value of Rs 5000 crore.

6. On account of the presence in the slum rehabilitation scheme, HDIL is partly hedged against fluctuation in land prices as the contraction cost does not vary significantly. Also, the company is not required to pay one-off land purchase costs at the beginning of each project.

Weaknesses
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1. Of the total land bank, 82% is in Mumbai Metropolitan Region, with a significant proportion in the Vasai-Virar region and in residential projects. The currently benchmark rates in Vasai-Virar region are in the range of only Rs 1000-1800 per square feet.

2. The Union government has recently decided to completely ban the real-estate players and township developers from accessing external commercial borrowings (ECBs) to fund projects. The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) also earlier raised risk weights on housing loan, followed by an interest-rate hike, to curb the demand for the real-estate sector. Thus, real-estate companies are likely to face difficulties in funding the projects (particularly for buying land) and their interest burden is likely to increase.

3. In the year ending March 2007, 69% of reported revenue was derived from selling of development rights/floor space index (FSI). Thus, one of the factors that would determine sustainability of revenue is likely to be the number of slum rehabilitation projects that will be bagged. Currently, the slum rehabilitation projects in the kitty will entitle it salable area of 64,26,222 square feet.

4. About 22% of the revenue was derived from sale of land. In future, sustainability of profit is likely to depend on movement in land prices.

5. As HDIL follows complete contract method of accounting, its earnings are likely to fluctuate significantly from year to year and quarterly results will be highly volatile. As other companies follow percentage completion method, comparisons will be difficult and may lead to wrong conclusions.

6. Over the past couple of years, there has been a significant increase in interest rate and real-estate prices. This has increased the equated monthly instalment (EMI) on housing loans. The increase in EMI as a proportion to disposable income of household has raised concern regarding affordability of properties. Real-estate prices are already showing signs of softening. A drop in prices could also result in customers adopting a wait-and-watch approach before booking new properties, and existing customers deferring payments or canceling bookings made earlier when prices were high. This would impact cash flows and could lead to a cash crunch, which could significantly impact the company’s ability to complete existing/start new projects.

Valuation
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Knight Frank had valued HDIL’s land reserves at Rs 21,095.10 crore on 15 December 2006 using the discounted cash flow (DCF) method. The per share value works out to Rs 984. Cushman & Wakefield has worked out the net present value (NPV) of the company’s projects at Rs 22039.40 crore on 22 January 2007. Per share value works out to Rs 1028. However, this valuation is about six months old and the real-estate market condition has changed after that.

Consolidated FY 2007 EPS on post-issue equity, assuming green shoe option is exercised, works out to Rs 25.3. At the offer price band of Rs 430 – Rs 500, the P/E range is 17-19.8, respectively. Comparable companies location-wise (focused on Mumbai) are: Akruti Nirman (mainly into slum rehabilitation) and Orbit Corporation (mainly into redeveloping projects) are trading at P/E of 31.5 and 16, respectively. However both these companies are much smaller compared with HDIL. Comparable listed player in terms of size, Parsvnath Developers (with development rights of approximately 151 million square feet), is currently trading at 22 times its FY 2007 earning.
15. MALLIKAJUNA B R |   Link |  Bookmark | June 26, 2007 12:19:59 PM
Need advise abour IPO investment
14. dilip b patel |   Link |  Bookmark | June 26, 2007 3:50:14 AM
it is the best issue looking to the safety and benefit in investment. one should keep idfc which was also this thpe of ipo issue. steadly we have recovered some higher value of this stock.one must be ready for long investment.
13. satish Agarwal |   Link |  Bookmark | June 25, 2007 5:30:57 PM
Dear Investor friends,

The listing price of any I P O is no way related to the company's fundamentals,hence one has to try the luck.
12. Kamal |   Link |  Bookmark | June 25, 2007 12:17:20 PM
Hi Jayesh

HDIL posted turnover of Rs 1,204 crore and net profit of roughly Rs 541 crore.

Source Economic Times

Link http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Markets/Stocks/IPOs/HDIL_sets_issue_price_band_at_Rs_430-500/articleshow/2140347.cms
11. Jayesh |   Link |  Bookmark | June 24, 2007 3:17:25 PM
Does anybody have March 07 result details for this company
10. apurva |   Link |  Bookmark | June 24, 2007 2:12:54 PM
not long term like dlf is similar to aakruti as in engagaed in slum rehabilation which is very profitable will have high oversubscription but leave in d first day
9. Aravind |   Link |  Bookmark | June 24, 2007 1:07:45 AM
Looks like everyone is sounding the same. So - Ayesha, MVS, Vikram, himanshu can you guys justify why you are feeling that the issue is steeply priced.

The issue is only 16 - 19 times priced (FY07). This is post issue diluted PE, which is not bad for a reality company.
8. leo |   Link |  Bookmark | June 23, 2007 12:46:02 PM
hdil grey market premium 75rs.
7. himanshu |   Link |  Bookmark | June 23, 2007 8:55:49 AM
Hey Guys! I guess promoters of this company feel that investors are fool. Quite steeply priced! Avoid it!
6. Vikram |   Link |  Bookmark | June 22, 2007 1:18:36 AM
Sarang Wadhawan, MD of HDIL:

The current land bank is at 112 million sq ft which is mainly in Mumbai.

HDIL has planned project area of 45.5 m sq ft and have completed projects worth 11.3 m sq ft.

70% of land reserves are actually owned by the company.

The company has received an in-principle approval for a multi-services SEZ in the Vasai-Virar sub -region.