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Hathway Cable & Datacom Ltd IPO Message Board (Page 8)

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25. NORMAL PERSON |   Link |  Bookmark | February 8, 2010 10:34:20 PM
is hathway has a good oppurtunity to invest for listing gains and what premium is in market. please give the premum rate so i can make my balances for either to invest in this or not
24. BULLS |   Link |  Bookmark | February 8, 2010 9:43:41 PM
KAHEKO ITNA MACH MACH KARTE HO BHARNA NAHI HAI TO MAT BHARO PAR KAM SE KAM MIN APP KA RISK TO UTHA SAKTE HO
MAIN TO BHAR RAHA HUN BETWEEN 50 TO 1 LAC
HAPPY INVESTING
23. Blazo |   Link |  Bookmark | February 8, 2010 8:13:34 AM
In 2010 around 70 ipos will coming. If average 10% return in every ipo then 700% return grntd : Rub I wonder how come you cleared your math exam is 10% on 70 ipos 700% gr8 math...
22. HARDIK |   Link |  Bookmark | February 8, 2010 7:01:37 AM
boss......

upcoming ipo me se abhi kounsa ipo bharna chahiye listing gain k liye........
bharna hai to primium kya chal raha hai.......

thanks.......
21. INDER |   Link |  Bookmark | February 7, 2010 6:45:06 PM
according to businessline
Investors can avoid the initial public offering of Hathway Cable & Datacom, a cable distribution and broadband services provider, given the inherent challenges in driving realisations in both the segments that it operates in and the severe competition from well-entrenched players with alternative delivery platforms.

At Rs 265 (upper-end of price band), the stock trades at an EV/sales (enterprise value to sales) multiple of 5.7 times based on its FY09 numbers on a pre-offer equity base and a EV/subscriber of Rs 3,842.

The cable industry may face several scalability hurdles, what with the limited growth in television households, the pace conversion of analogue networks to digital ones and within that conversion of free-to-air viewers to pay-channel mode, all being subject to uncertainty.

Hathway has been in operations for over a decade now and has grown over the years, especially in the last two-three years largely by taking the inorganic route to expansion. Acquiring MSOs (multi-system operators) and LCOs (local cable operators) has enabled the company to grow at a fair pace in terms of revenues. With a negative return on networth and spiralling interest costs (only a small portion of debt is to be repaid from the offer), an acquisition spree, though the only way to grow in this business, may not help strengthen financials.

Cable business challenges

Between FY-06 and FY-09, the company grew its revenues at a compounded annual rate of 38.5 per cent to Rs 673.2 crore. Despite having a reach that is much higher than most other cable operators (estimated base of 8.2 million cable homes) Hathway lagged behind Den Networks in terms of revenues. This suggests that ARPUs (average revenues per user) are quite low for the company, a fact reinforced by its stated figure of Rs 55.8 per month.

Of its total subscribers, only a million of them are on digital cable, which is the key reason for these low ARPUs.

There are several inherent problems in the cable distribution business, which affects all companies in this business. One, there is always the menace of local cable operators understating revenues, which cripples financials for a player such as Hathway, till such time as most analogue connections are upgraded to digital ones, which could be time-consuming.

Second, even if large-scale digitisation of its cable network is achieved, the company still faces the challenge of getting its viewers to subscribe to pay channels, which is the key revenue driver. This is because a viewer has the option of not taking a set-top box and viewing only free-to-air channels. Regulatory controls on pricing also pose a threat with the regulator in fact Rs 77 package with 30 free-to-air channels. Third, the growth of the industry itself may not be that encouraging. A recent report from PricewaterhouseCoopers indicates that the number of TV households would grow at just 2.7 per cent annually over 2009-13 to 135 million. Further, the report states that the number of cable households would grow from 71 million in 2008 at just 2.4 per cent annually from 2009 to 80 million by 2013.

A FICCI-KPMG report predicts a higher 5.7 per cent annual growth rate.

Sure, the telecom regulator has mandated conditional access in 55 cities by 2011. But, experience suggests that the adoption of conditional access even in the metros has been slow, with most of the households content with free-to-air channels. A TRAI report gives out the fact that only a little over eight lakh set-top boxes have been installed in the four metros put together as of June 2009.

There may, therefore, be limited success in large-scale digitising of cables and driving revenues as a whole. Then there is competition from alternate platforms such as DTH (direct-to-home). Within just three years of its launch, this platform now boasts of as many as 18 million subscribers, thanks to large well-entrenched players such as Dish TV, Tata Sky, Airtel Digital TV, Big TV and Sun Direct, all having deep pockets. Videocon is a recent entrant to this race.

The platform, given its inherent advantage technologically, has greater scope for driving revenues for operators. Latest hit movies being made available within a month of release at a fraction of multiplex ticket rates and several other value-added services or tailored packages help enhance ARPUs.

It may, therefore, be fair to believe that this would be the preferred mode towards digitising cable viewing.

Broadband difficulties

Hathway also has a broadband business that contributes about 16 per cent of overall revenues. Given the under-penetration of Internet and, more specifically, broadband in India, there may be ample scope for expansion.

Indeed, Hathway cross-sells its broadband services to its cable subscribers. But here again, operators with strong wireline networks have made significant inroads by providing DSL broadband services. BSNL, the largest broadband service provider in India, Reliance Communications, Bharti Airtel, and Tata Communications have taken a lion's share of the internet subscribers between them.

With the increase in the shipments and usage of laptops in India, most of these companies have also been able to drive growth through sale of data cards.

With a wireless last-mile being the preferred route for all technology adoptions in India, these companies may also benefit from winning WiMax licenses for providing wireless broadband access. All this would reduce the addressable pie for Hathway.

The offer

Hathway is looking raise about Rs 735 crore by sale of around 27.75 million shares at a price band of Rs 240-265. About Rs 200 crore would go to selling shareholders, Monet and MSPI Mauritius. Acquisition of customers, investment in developing the cable and broadband infrastructure are the stated objectives towards which the issue proceeds would go.
20. IMRAN HASHMI |   Link |  Bookmark | February 6, 2010 1:31:46 PM
Hathway is good as compared to ARSS Infrastructure Projects

Hathway price is RS 265/-, & ARSS Infra price is RS 450/-

Hathway is Multinational & ARSS Infra is Desi.

Registrar of Hateway is Link Intime, which is good & gives quick refund.

While Registrar of IRS Infra is Bigshare which sends Refund always Late,

Hence invest in Hateway
19. isko laga dala to life jhingala |   Link |  Bookmark | February 6, 2010 10:38:29 AM
anyone tell about this ipo....
18. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | February 5, 2010 10:12:48 PM
IPO fixed at 240-265 price band.
17. IPOEXPERT |   Link |  Bookmark | February 4, 2010 2:01:54 PM
WATSE IPO STOCK WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT 150 RS AFTER ITS LISTING.
LOT OF CHEAP STOCKS AVAILABLE IN SECONDARY MARKET
16. MK |   Link |  Bookmark | February 4, 2010 12:08:07 PM
AS PER NO-15. Ashok, PRICE OF WWIL IS Rs 18 AND NOT Rs 180 AS STATED BY HIM. SO IT SHOULD BE Rs 26 AN NOT Rs 260.
15. Ashok |   Link |  Bookmark | February 4, 2010 11:30:40 AM
The company is Star Tv and Raheja owned company. Rahejas traditionally have given excellent results to their investors. As per Indian Television website hathway is likely to issue shares at the range 240-265. Also, the companies EBITDA profit is increasing. Seems to be a capital intensive company which has a depreciation & amortisaion above 7 crs per month.. So imagine the Fixed assets lying wid it.

WWIL is the same group. but the share is trading at 180 Rs.(considering face value Rs.10) and is much weaker financials as compared to Hathway. So i feel in case WWIL in market commands 180, thn 260 is worth for this stock. ANyways will wait for some research report for the company.
14. Rub |   Link |  Bookmark | February 3, 2010 10:45:21 AM
In 2010 around 70 ipos will coming. If average 10% return in every ipo then 700% return grntd
13. Rub |   Link |  Bookmark | February 3, 2010 10:40:53 AM
Which is Good ipos in feb
12. chaman jhinga |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 11:55:50 PM
ye bhi den network ka bhai hai
listing loss ki guarantee pakki hai
11. vasudev |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 8:00:07 PM

PLEASE NOTE:
For the period of six months ended on September 2009, it has reported net loss of Rs 35.63 crore and total income of Rs 364.92 crore. It has debt of Rs 443.03 crore on its books.

EVEN AFTER SO MANY YEARS IN BUSINESS, NOT ABLE TO SHOW PROFIT.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO APPLY IN SUCH CO IPOs.

There are so many hundreds of profit making well established companies that you can buy in the market.

Why apply and regret??

Stay away
10. IMRAN |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 6:08:56 PM
AVOID
9. kirit shah |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 6:00:34 PM
according to moneycontrol.com, the company, For the period of six months ended on September 2009, has reported net loss of Rs 35.63 crore and total income of Rs 364.92 crore. It has debt of Rs 443.03 crore on its books.

8. SUDHIR KHURANA |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 12:07:45 PM
Too immature company to come to public issue. success doubtful
7. gowa |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 11:50:00 AM
Mr. Akshay Raheja plz chk his age
bahut kam umar se ie. age 17 yrs se company sambhal raha
hain
Great !!!
6. ipo king |   Link |  Bookmark | February 2, 2010 11:33:40 AM
UCO BANK FPO BY MARCH END,,,,,