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219. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:54:32 PM
VA-TECH face value rs. 5 and issue price rs. 1310. kanhi marwa na de waise bhi market bahoot high par hai. electro fundamentally accha hai. agar 2-3 rs. above issue price bhi list ho gaya to bahut accha munaafa dega. vatech ko log SKS ke baad badi issue price bada gain theory ke hisaab se laga rahe hain par yeh kanhi FCH wala haal na kar de. teji ke bazzar main sab loot lete hain.

ELECTRO AND ASHOKA BOTH ARE VERY GOOD.
218. Srini |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:30:36 PM (400+ Posts)
No confusion, relax, for QIB issue will be closing on friday, so if QIB is subscribing more than 10-20 times why to worry, we can apply in full with confidence, no need to follow SPT or advisers, need comments from Sreedhar, Sj & Gem on this.
217. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:18:25 PM
yeah...u guys are right...he recommended NHPC even at higher price end. I applied one full application and i was fortunate that it got subscribed 4 times and i got only 1/4 th so reducing some loss i could have icurred if got full allotment..

I think boarders here like SJ , GEM IPO are giving good advices. avoid the analysts
216. Singhh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:13:23 PM
Haa Haa :D
Thanks Gane. Thats a nice contrarian view.
215. Gane |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:06:14 PM (400+ Posts)
Singh,

Don't look into SP Thulsians advice. You have to act opoosite to his advice.

Gane.
214. Singhh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:03:26 PM
Before anyone starts bombing
Below post is from SP Tulsian website http://www.premiuminvestments.in/new-issue-analysis-47414/102/Va-tech-no-way-.html
213. Singhh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 6:01:18 PM
VA Tech? No way!
A few points where he has put some concerns. In summary he says it looks expensive and he finds that comparison with IVRCL or Nagarjuna mentioned in RHP is incorrect. Also money received thru ipo will not go into any development.

1. The fresh fund infusion will not augment the company’s financials significantly. Only Rs. 125 crore will flow into the company’s books, which are to be used to fund working capital of Rs. 65 crore, to implement IT systems at a cost of Rs. 11 crore and to build a corporate office at Chennai worth Rs. 35 crore. It is silly that the company has to tap the investors for building a fancy head-office, when it already has cash and bank balance of Rs. 219 crore, as on 31st March 2010. The company’s claim of using the present cash surplus for strategic needs appears a mere eye-wash.

2. The promoters claim that they are not selling a single share in the IPO. However, page 85-86 of the RHP states that between 20th to 24th August 2010, the 4 promoters, employees and existing PE investors have, in aggregate, already sold 10.2% stake in the company to a couple of funds and to their merchant bankers Enam and IDFC, at Rs. 1,231.55 per share (close to lower end of price band) for cash. This transaction, just a month before IPO opening, shows the confidence (or lack of it) and the vested interest of all the parties involved.

3.Even on the business front, the company does not provide much comfort. Order book, as on 30th June 2010, was Rs. 2,778 crore, comprising 88% of municipal clients and balance industrial clients. Also, it has large dependence on few clients as 66% of revenues in FY10 came from top 5 clients, while 82% of order book as on 31st March 2010, are from top 5 clients.

4.Page 96 of the RHP, which states the basis for issue price, has compared the company with other listed players, including IVRCL Infra and Nagarjuna Constructions. This comparison is erroneous and mis-leading as it has a footnote that the figures are on consolidated basis, where infact, standalone numbers of peers have been stated. The company and merchant bankers cannot get away with such wrong deeds by quoting a private publication, atleast not in the offer document!

5.There needs to be an apple to apple comparison. IVRCL Infra’s consolidated revenue for FY10 Rs. 5,830 crores with PAT at Rs. 215 crores, on equity base of Rs.53.40 crores,translating into an EPS of Rs.8.05. This leads to a PE multiple of 21 times for IVRCL (in place of 63.2 stated in RHP) based on CMP of 167. On the other hand, Nagarjuna Constructions’ consol revenue, PAT and EPS are Rs. 5,897 crore, Rs.282 crores and Rs. 11 on equity base of Rs. 51 crores, respectively, leading to PE multiple of less than 15 times, as against the stated PE of 19.2 times.Even at the lower end of the price band, the issue seems expensive.
212. Gane |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:57:28 PM (400+ Posts)
SJ,

What is your view on Asoka, Techpro & Cantabil? I know your view about Vatech.

I want to go for these 4 IPOs. VaTech - 2 full application; Asoka - 1 full and 1 half; Techpro - 1 full; Cantabil - 1 full and 1 half. What is your suggestions? Do you this it is good allotment of funds or should I change somethings?

I thought of going for 1-2 lots of Ramky as well. But everybody is talking negative about it.

Thanks yaar.
Gane.
211. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:43:56 PM
singh

what did he say .....

I am posting thru mobile cant search or read internet by pasting link....

Give me briefly

thanks in advance

regards

sj
210. Singhh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 5:34:02 PM
S P Tulsian take on Va-tech.

http://www.premiuminvestments.in/new-issue-analysis-47414/102/Va-tech-no-way-.html

SJ,
Whats your opinion about this?
209. Graham ka Chela |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 4:50:46 PM
Va tech has got 49/100 rating by CapitalMarket.
Sales for the fiscal ended March 2010 were higher by 8% to Rs 1223.74 crore and net profit (after minority interest) was higher by 28% to Rs 44.74 crore. PBT had jumped 97% to Rs 77.51 crore. The consolidated EPS for FY 2010 works out to Rs 44.1 and Rs 44.4, respectively, on lower and upper price band. The offer price discounts FY 2010 consolidated EPS by 27.9-29.5 times.

On the other hand, Hindustan Dorr is available at a PE of 17.3 times, Ion Exchange 70.6 times and Nagarjuna Construction 16.6 times of their FY 2010 consolidated earning. However, VTWL is a class of its own and will continue to command higher valuation multiple.
208. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 3:00:47 PM
New ipo's coming in september.

Sea TV Network
(Book Building)
27-9-2010
30-9-2010
50,20,000 Shares
(Rs. 50,20,00,000)
90 to 100
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Bedmutha Ind.
(Book Building)

28-9-2010
1-10-2010
90,00,000 Shares
(Rs. 91,80,00,000)
95 to 102
207. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 11:41:52 AM
What is the issue size, how may shares are being offered, Please inform
206. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 10:58:00 AM
JSW ENERGY IS EXPECTED TO ALLOT 1 BONUS SHARE PER SHARE
205. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 9:34:42 AM
GREY MARKET STRATEGY
BEFORE ISSUE CLOSING GREY MARKET PRICES:
INDO SOLAR RS. 1800 KOSTAK BUYER
TIRUPATI RS. 1700 KOSTAK BUYER
CAREER RS. 1800 KOSTAK BUYER
EROS RS. 2000 KOSTAK BUYER
MICRO RS. 1850 KOSTAK BUYER

AFTER ISSUE CLOSURE RATES:
INDO SOLAR RS. 1300 KOSTAK SELLER
TIRUPATI RS. NO TRADES NOW
CAREER RS. 1300 KOSTAK SELLER
EROS RS. 1700 KOSTAK SELLER
MICRO RS. 1300 KOSTAK SELLER

KYA ISSUE CLOSE HOTE HI FUNDAMENTALS CHANGE HO GAYE YA MARKET TOOT GAYA HAI.

AISA KOOCH NAHI HAI. CURRENT IPOS, GREY MARKET KE SAHARE SE APNE ISSUE SUBSCRIBE KARWA RAHE HAIN. EK BAAR SUBSCRIBE HOTE HI SAB BHAAG JAATE HAIN. YEH SAB IPO AB MUJHE DISCOUNT MAIN LIST HOTE LAG RAHE HAIN. DOSTON, BOORA MAT MANANA, YANHAN SABKO YEH SUNANA ACCHA LAGATA HAI KI "THIS IPO IS GOOD" "THAT IPO IS GOOD" BUT CURRENT GREY MARKET TREND TO YEHI SUGGEST KAR RAHA HAI KI YEH IPOS SUBKO LOSS DENGE.

BHED CHAAL MAIN MAT PHANSO. SOCH SAMAJH KAR LAGAO. KANHIN PACHTANA NA PADE. EK BAAR PITANE KE BAAD KOI EXPERT BACHANE NAHIN AAYEGA. ABHI SAB KUCH SATTE PE CHAL RAHA HAI. SAARE IPO KE SHARE SECONDARY MAIN TEJ HAIN BECAUSE WOH SHARE PUBLIC KE PAS NAHIN HAI. JO SHARE PUBLIC KE PASS BHARE PADE HAIN JAISE: NHPC, SJVN, IBPOWER WOH SAB NAHI CHAL RAHE. AAGE BHI AISA HI HOGA.

AB IS WATECH KO DEKHO RS.5 KA SHARE 1310 MAIN DE RAHA HAI. ABHI GREY MARKET BUYER HAI LEKIN ISSUE CLOSE HOTE HI BUYER BHAG JAAYEGA. MAAL SABKE HAATH MAIN RAH JAAYEGA. LISTING PAR 1000 KA TAG DIKH GAYA TO LONG TERM STORY HO JAAYEGA.
204. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 8:41:58 AM
Open date close date price band

Sea TV Network 27-9-2010 30-9-2010 90 to 100

Bedmutha Ind. 28-9-2010 1-10-2010 95 to 102
      

203. Ajayshare |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 7:49:04 AM (200+ Posts)
Is there any discount for retail investor like sks micro finance.
202. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 22, 2010 12:29:53 AM
Kostak rate 1950-2050.
Buyers in Ahmedabad @ Rs. 1515-1530
201. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 21, 2010 11:47:21 PM
prices seem extremely high.
200. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | September 21, 2010 10:23:48 PM
What type of complexity you are talking about...either anyone loss or gain...