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81. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | July 23, 2017 10:31:15 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
This a simple business but SIS is king in what it is doing but is Rs 815 a fair value let us analysis this

In 2008, R K Sinha his firm acquired an Australian security agency called Chubb Security, which was up for sale for $300 million. Also majority stake in Dusters Total Solutions, a Bengaluru-based facility management services provider. It paid Rs 350 crore for a 75% stake in Dusters. Over years they have acquired quality assets and business making them market leader in Security business in India and overseas.


According to a Frost & Sullivan report, demand for security and facility management services has witnessed exponential growth over the past decade. The industry is expected to grow over 20% year on year between 2015 and 2020.

So we know it has good business model and the industry is also going rapidly as the say crime helps society not sure about the society but it has help BJP Rajya Sabha member for BJP from bihar very rich and power. He is very close to present heads of BJP government given is liberal support both financial and manpower in BJP election fight in 2014.

SO the biggest question is this company 6000 crs MC with 90 Crs net profit is it worth investing even it will grow 20% it will take it five years to double it bottom line from 90 Crs to 180 Crs even with 180 Crs it will still have PE of 34 which is expensive in my cash flow even with 20% growth for next 5 years and 16% plus in next five years i still find it expensive.

So yes it growth company yes it has good business model yes it has international brands yes it has political connection but the price of Rs815 IMO is fully price So i will AVOID THIS IPO

IMO THIS COMPANY SHOULD NOT HAVE A MC OF 4000 CRS AT THE IPO PRICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOT MORE 700 I WOULD BE HAVE BEEN A BUMPER ISSUE IF IT HAD A PRICE BAND OF 555.....

COMPARING QUESS WITH SIS IS LIKE COMPARING WHITE COLLAR JOB WITH A BLUE COLLAR JOB

Initial Cash Flow:       Rs 90,00,00,000.00                   
                        
Years:      1-5      6-10            
Growth Rate:      20%      15%            
                        
Terminal Growth Rate:      5%            Discount Rate:      10%
                        
Shares Outstanding:      7,31,47,749            Margin of Safety:      25%
Debt Level:                        
                        
Year      Flows      Growth      Value      
1      1,08,00,00,000       20%       Rs 98,18,18,181.82       
2      1,29,60,00,000       20%       Rs 1,07,10,74,380.17       
3      1,55,52,00,000       20%       Rs 1,16,84,44,778.36       
4      1,86,62,40,000       20%       Rs 1,27,46,67,030.94       
5      2,23,94,88,000       20%       Rs 1,39,05,45,851.94       
6      2,66,49,90,720       19%       Rs 1,50,43,17,785.28       
7      3,14,46,89,050       18%       Rs 1,61,37,22,715.11       
8      3,67,92,86,188       17%       Rs 1,71,64,14,160.62       
9      4,26,79,71,978       16%       Rs 1,81,00,36,751.20       
10      4,90,81,67,775       15%       Rs 1,89,23,11,148.98       
                        
                        
Terminal Year       Rs 5,15,35,76,163.58                   
                        
PV of Year 1-10 Cash Flows:                   Rs 14,42,33,52,784.41       
                        
Terminal Value:                   Rs 39,73,85,34,128.62       
                        
Total PV of Cash Flows:                   Rs 54,16,18,86,913.03       
                        
Number of Shares:                  7,31,47,749       
                        
Intrinsic Value (IV):                   Rs 740.45       
                        
Margin of Safety IV:                   Rs 555.33       
                        
What Percentage of IV comes from                   73%      
the Terminal Value:                        



81.25. rsk |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 10:13:54 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (600+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Industry in general growing at 20% CAGR
SIS security business growing at 28% and Facility management at 42% according to MD.
IMO this is the flaw in your calculations
EE mentioned 11 pax hold 34% means the stock is cornered. lets see what happens in next few days.
Your other call LTT has been stuck in 730-40 range for long time
81.26. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 10:35:16 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
RSk all my calls r not positive and also not short term.... IMO if market bleeds then this high 60 PE will not stay in no time it will correct to 20PE and no one touch..... With regards to SIS it was overpriced stock so correction was on cads

10% discount is fair as inflation is around 6% and below
80. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 10:13:49 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
SIS India      
GMP 120-125
KOstak 300

Cochin Shipyard      
GMP 100
KOstak 750
80.1. MINTO |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 10:28:07 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (400+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
Septa sir
What you suggest us in both IPO.
Please tell.
Thanks
79. Jaggu |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 10:07:09 PM
APPLY OR AVOID ?
78. sharad |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 7:20:57 PM
Any site to know and discuss about NSE sme ipo and bse sme ipo
77. JagoGrahak |   Link |  Bookmark | July 24, 2017 9:49:10 AM
SIS IPO:

GMP: 140-142
Kostak: 2500 Subject to allottment
77.2. JagoGrahak |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 6:51:31 AM
SIS IPO

GMP: 145-150
77.3. JagoGrahak |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 5:58:32 PM
SIS IPO

GMP: 132-137
Kostak: 2200(Subject to Allotment)
76. rvr |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 5:38:11 PM
For risk averse investors, it’s better not to apply as the issue seems fully priced with limited upside potential.
75. ARATII |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 5:15:10 PM
GMP Security & int rs 115
74. Expert Rai |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 4:32:44 PM
GMP

Cochin = 122 - 125
SIS = 135 - 140
73. NIHARIKA |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 12:16:52 PM
The company has better margin then quess crop. This is the first security company getting listed, There is no comparison it is a sure shot in security demand is growing up world over
and it will continue to perform well. You can also compare team lease with this company
73.1. Shreekant |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 3:36:16 PM
Which one to apply Either Cochin Shipyard OR SIS?
72. THE PREDICTOR |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 3:13:20 PM
SIS IPO
GREY MARKET RATE 2600 SUBJECT TO ALLOTMENT.
71. Arup jamshed |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 3:08:26 PM (900+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Septa ji ignore all bullying ,
Here u r for share ur view n opinion for ipo.
70. mehulll |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 1:15:31 PM
Eagle plz guide us wt to do apply or avoid???sis wts ur opinion... sir we are following ur view in all Ipo''s ...we respect ur opinion...
70.1. rvr |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 2:22:25 PM
dont apply ..high valution
69. MUKESH JI |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 1:12:09 PM
Salasar tec .......
Only buy dont sell......
This is future multibegger stock
68. rvr |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 12:38:41 PM
Higly overpriced..market in correction mode stay away..look for subscription and decide...not for small retailers
67. Amit Pathak |   Link |  Bookmark | July 24, 2017 10:59:13 PM
Dear chennai !

Should I apply for this IPO ?
67.1. Chennai |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 7:15:08 AM
Security Services and Facility Management Services company :
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Trader:
Expect 8 to10% profit on listing
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Short term:
Consistence rev growth of 16% in last 5 years.
Business in India and Australia - company in global view .
Expect 20% growth yearly.
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Long run:
Lots of security system (home,office,business) need to grow in India hence welcoming company.
Can hold one who looking for diversified portfolio.
67.2. Amit Pathak |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 11:47:16 AM
Dear Chennai !

Really this is very helpful information for all

Thank You :)
66. Expert Rai |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 11:17:25 AM
GMP

Cochin = 110 - 112

SIS = 152 - 155
65. mehulll |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 10:50:19 AM
Lattest gmp sis?
64. DHIRAJLAL |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 8:52:20 AM
apply yes or no ?
63. Hiren K. |   Link |  Bookmark | July 25, 2017 7:42:49 AM
Dear Admin, Agerly waiting for Dilip Davda''s ...Plz update...
62. JAI MATA DI |   Link |  Bookmark | July 24, 2017 10:18:35 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (800 Posts, 500+ Likes)
Aply for this ipo not a bad bat. But normally risky. Someone who take some risk must aply in this ipo .I aply this up. It is another shella foam. But suno Sabki Karo Apne man Ki.