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701. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 11:12:32 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Vijaypat Singhania, one of India''s richest men, is now penniless, all thanks to his tycoon son Gautam

Sunil Baghel
Updated: Aug 09, 2017, 11.34 AM IST
One of the country''s richest men, who spent more than two decades dressing up the Indian male, is now broke, and by his own admission is living a "hand-to-mouth" existence. And he blames only one person for this - his son.

Dr Vijaypat Singhania, who built RaymondBSE -7.23 % Ltd into one of the largest apparel brands in the country before handing over the business to his son Gautam, is today a bitter man residing in a rented row house in south Mumbai''s upscale Grand Paradi society.

Two days after Mumbai Mirror reported that he had filed a petition in the Bombay High Court seeking possession of a duplex in the redeveloped 36-storey JK House on Malabar Hill, his lawyer told the court on Wednesday that the retired tycoon was struggling financially.

JK House was a 14-storey structure when it was unveiled in 1960. Four duplexes in the building were later handed over to a Raymond subsidiary Pashmina Holdings. In 2007, the company decided to go in for redevelopment.

As per the deal Dr Singhania and Gautam; Veenadevi, widow of Dr Singhania''s brother Ajaypat Singhania; and her sons Anant and Akshaypat were to get a 5,185 sq ft duplex each in the new building on a payment of Rs 9,000 per sq ft.

Already, Veenadevi and Anant have filed a joint petition, while Akshaypat has submitted an independent petition, in the Bombay High Court staking claim to their apartments.

Senior Advocate Dinyar Madon, who is representing Vijaypat along with law firm Bachubhai Munim and Co., told the court that while the 78-year-old gave away all his wealth to his son, the son is now driving "him out of everything."

Madon said Dr Singhnia gave up all his shares in the company worth around Rs 1000 crore in his son''s favour, but now he has been left to fend for himself by Gautam. "They are trying to squeeze him (Dr Singhania) now. All his perks - like a car and a driver -- have been taken away," Madon said.

Representing Raymond, senior advocate Janak Dwarkadas, along with senior advocate Virag Tulzapurkar and law firm Wadia Ghandy & Co. submitted that Gautam had not been made a party in the petition and that it was restricted to the two companies involved -- Pashmina Holdings and Raymond Ltd.

Madon asked for an injunction against the company from creating any rights in the duplex on the 27th and 28th floor of the redeveloped JK House. He also sought Rs 7 lakh per month from the company, saying that Dr Singhania was entitled to an alternate accommodation at the company''s cost.

While Dwarkadas agreed to an injunction on creating third-party rights in the duplex, he objected to the demand for rent by Dr Singhania. He sought time to file a reply, saying that a resolution to pay Dr Singhania rent and handover the duplex was rejected by the shareholders of the company at the company''s Annual General Meeting held in June this year.

Madon alleged that Gautam seemed to be occupying all the four duplexes (fourth duplex is Gautam''s), and that the company had created a different route, which was that he was the CMD, therefore he could do so.

Justice Girish Kulkarni, after hearing both the parties, asked them to try and settle the case among themselves. "This kind of litigation should not have come to the court at all. It should have been settled," the court observed.

Counsels on both the sides agreed to initiate the talks

The court, however, also passed the injunction order with respect to the duplex claimed by Dr Singhnia and asked Raymond to file its reply by August 18, while scheduling the next hearing for August 22.
700. Hello IPO |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 7:46:54 PM
Hi Septa Sir,
I have following shares, Should I hold or sell them??, Please advise. Appreciated for your reply

1. Dilip Buildcon
2. D-Mart
3. L&T Tech
4. ICICI Pru
5. Tejas
700.6. Arup jamshed |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 9:29:22 PM (900+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Say something about PCL ,septa
700.7. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 10:47:26 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
ARUP i have several time said whats my position on PCL in this forum.... i am not MEHUL to change my position

STILL HOLDING STILL BULLISH HAD BOOKED LOSS AS A TAX BENEFIT. PRESENT HOLDING AT LOSS HOWEVER NOT SUCH HOPING FOR A CHANGE THIS QUATER RESULT IS OUT TOMMORROW
699. Govind Rawat |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 9:56:19 PM
My funds are not released of SIS application by Sbi. Is any one facing the same problem in Sbi ?
698. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 9:22:10 AM
LOGON KO BEVKOOF BANANA BAND KARO.

HUGE SELLERS HAIN .PRICE WILL GO BELOW 780 ON OPENING
698.18. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 7:40:46 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Ok fine STOCKT but at least be constructive
698.19. P M |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 7:58:16 PM (1100+ Posts, 1100+ Likes)
@Stockt

Why r u lying

who said i had invested in this stock.
show post where i said that i have invested in this stock

Even i dont suggested Apply or Avoid in this stock

Also i dont given any target for this stock.
show my post where i had said li will list above 1000
697. Nkc |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 7:39:11 PM
Next IPO name and date please any inform
696. Iqbal |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 7:36:27 PM
Why this show in Z category in my broker''s trading place order?

Scrip Search Results
Scrip      Exch      Scrip Code      Exchange
Symbol      Category      Intraday
Trading Allowed      Margin
Trading Allowed      Short Sell
Allowed      Company Name      Session
SIS      BSE      540673      SIS      Z      N      N      N      Security and Intelligence Serv      CA2


And in above of your message board its showing in S category.

Both are from BSE
695. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 5:09:42 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
STOCKT huge loss from which angle majority of RII would have sold out so would have made at least some profit those who still hold max loss they would make Rs1250 approx from any angle i do not see Rs1250 as huge loss....

Pls stop bullying members and be polite.... and be constructive and stop being destructive
694. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 2:54:33 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
Where are analysts who compared SIS with Quess?
694.4. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 4:47:23 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Yes sir, MARKET IS KING only....No funda works, every share treatment is same in Steep Fall ,
it''s time to buy some psu bank? Bob, union, Allahabad?
Or stock like capital first, manappuram?
694.5. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 4:52:44 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
yes market is king i thought fall in in pharma is finished so few days brought some heavy weight Pharma but had to cut the losses as it fell further now i am siting in sideline more correction is on card as we have seen a clean 2500 plus awards so correction will be more then this 400 points at least another 1000 points.


693. IPO killer |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 4:32:03 PM
Had said in the morning it will close below 800. Those who sold just after listing would be lucky.
692. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 4:17:28 PM

hahaha its 760 rs closing. 780 is nearer than 900 rs. lols.

its a big slap on ur face dear

688.8. RJ Rocks Aug 10, 2017 10:50:14 AM IST I Like It. 1 | Report Abuse
900 is near to 880 but 780...... too much difference between 880 to 780.. okay.
692.1. RJ Rocks |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 4:21:47 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
No. It''s not slap for me dear. Try google to get idea of listing at 900. Listing at 780. In real it''s listed is at 880.
So most allotties get profit not a loss like u said.
Okay....
692.2. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 4:31:34 PM
really. dont try to hide ur face by just saying everyone sold. many people are still stuck or greedy people like u who waited for 900 rs to exit. by the way it closed at 760 rs which is around my price of 780 rs and not 900 rs which itslef proved weak fundamentals of the company.

by the way u cant sell at highest price of stock ever if u can u shuld stop all work and u ave sixth send. so stop fooling people around when u have lost
check my message clearly i told to exit on listing at whatever price as this would go down and down nd save ur capital which holds true now
by the way s chand too listed at 707 but noone is awar eif anyone was able to sell at that price. lol.

its now a fact this stock ipo has been a pathetic one . by the way what were the huge profits u got in this one? lolz
691. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:52:13 PM
Guys do remember i told everyone to sell on opening at any price as its bound to fall. with 20 pc growth its asking 60 p/e which is too bad. it fair price is not more than 400 rs.

even those who sold havent got anything
people like RJ and PM change colours as soon as they found stock has crashed says they have sold whereas actually they are still holding and at huge loss now

i told it will go below 780 on listing. i need to pat my back on that.

see this stock below 400 rs in 1 year.people who didnt got allotment should feel lucky then

690. VALUE INVESTOR |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 10:47:03 AM (900+ Posts, 600+ Likes)
Only 1k profit, so people are just relieved after selling :-)
690.1. Small Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:51:51 PM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2000+ Posts, 1000+ Likes)
10 days Interest Earning
689. we earn |   Link |  Bookmark | August 9, 2017 9:18:08 PM
My advice whose got allotment like me book profit if available as a premium the listing price is higher then trend down....but whose like to sell stock put order of pre-opening stable price below 5/- price...I also done this trick on s.chand and this so nice....
689.1. Small Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:44:29 PM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2000+ Posts, 1000+ Likes)
Great Advise
jisne bhi aapki advise man li uska bhla ho gya or jisni bhi nhi mani wo dub gya SIS M @ 760 below
688. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | August 9, 2017 9:30:53 AM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (6600+ Posts, 21900+ Likes)
SIS IPO – Analysis of NII category applications:

Fact:
8 applications of 5 – 10Crs = totalling 58Crs
2 applications of 12.50Crs each = totalling 25Crs
1 application of 25Crs


Observation:
Top 11 applicants have applied for total value of 98.33Crs

These 11 applicants have been allotted 8,28,304 shares
(i.e. 34.64% of the total shares available for NII + RII)


Inference:
The Smarties can now draw their own conclusions from the above data
688.11. Dev Chaudhary |   Link |  Bookmark | August 9, 2017 3:21:03 PM
Tomarrow market trend will be highly up side!!
so hope for the best!
Take this message(Eagleeye) at positive side,,👍👍
688.12. Haar Jeet |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:37:51 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Dear book loss if still invested u r smart.
687. R R Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 1:58:44 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 3400+ Likes)
Apex Frozen Foods Ltd. IPO

Open on - August 22, 2017

Closes on - August 24, 2017

Price band - Rs.171-175 per share

Lot size - 80 shares

Face Value Rs.10
687.1. Ankur Goell |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:33:27 PM
Is it confirmed news?
686. gundu anna |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:28:01 PM (500+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
those who have not been allotted, must thank god, you can buy at 8-10% retail discount.....
685. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 9:54:10 AM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
SiS Missed listing price by 20 paisa. ..sorry for that...!!!!
Predicted 880(before 4 days of issue opens) but NSE showing 879.8 ....FD return done dana done despite of overvalued and no NII fear. Cheers !!

27. gamble Jul 27, 2017 11:07:11 AM IST Reply
Security and Intelligence Services (India) Ltd IPO

......SiS India ltd.. .....

@ 815 EPS 13.29..., PE 61+

Que : whether it valued at fair valuation or not (if peer ignored )..

.ANS : NO

But with peer ANS : might be YES

.............peer comparison. .........

Below r quess plus point

...............................quess.. .........SIS

Profit margin.. .....2.17%...............2%
Current ratio .........2.16.................1.48
Top line CAGR......28%..................20%
Bottom line............27%..................13%
(bot CAGR for 2015-17......if take 2013-17 then quess is very much outperforming sis)

.....below are sis strong point

EPS CAGR.. ........12%.....................20%
PE ratio.. .............95.......................62
PB ratio.. .............13.3....................10.3
Ronw. .................13.56%..............16.8%

So yes bothside cons-pros.. ..other peer(if) teamlease valuationwise cheaper than both..!!


.....so here quess trading 95 PE ...while sis price 62 PE.. .. poor performance of sis can cancel out by this 35% less PE of SIS...is million $ que?? ?

.......RII forms req = 53k....

Due to cochin as the same time many RII decided to skip this(because of valuation and main cochin providing 1k+ kostak)

So imo RII appwise may remain same in both ipo = 5X(2.7 L forms in sis expected )

Or 6x(3.2L)

NII good subsc. possible.

...if take 20% every yr.. ...
@815

2017 PE 62
2018 PE 51
2019 PE 43
2020 PE 35

...so@815 for 2018 EPS 16 near PE =50+

For 55PE =880 (listing*)
60 PE = 960

So till 2018 880-960 type may possible(if nifty 10.1k then why can''''t sis 55-60 PE? )


So i m applying targeting only FD(7%)type listing gain......... Which is more than good each day 1%...!!

(if any cases this not hppn(listin gain)......then yes will do same as doing in FD after fixed.. !!)

............................................................
685.8. Kenny |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 10:50:45 AM
Thank you gamble sir for your 575 rs. figure. Boosted me somewhat. :-D
685.9. Kenny |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:11:10 PM
Gamble ji is toot ta va market ma, aapki kya rae ha cochin ka lia ??

Kitna par list hoga Cochin. 😅😅

Ab to tension ho rae ha. 😓😓
684. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 11:01:37 AM
Do u calculate top price of stock for gains
If that is true check all stock price from low and high. By the way only for 300 rs profit after deduct tax etc u r applying and waiting for lottery result. That is biggest fool
684.6. RJ Rocks |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 2:29:11 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Negativity tum fela rhe the k listing 780 pe hoga. Listing positive tha aur profit b book ho chuka. Understand?
684.7. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:03:01 PM
yeh le lo RJ rocks 750 par hai maine bola tha na crash karega.
schand se bhi battar haal hoga iska.

jhooth bolkar logon ko phasane wale teri izzat uttar chuki hai.

ab dekh 780 kya 750 rs reh gaya hai

kal 700 se bhi neeche hoga

isleyi bolne se pehle soch liya kar

u said i am negative on listin see my advise saved many people who exit on listing
683. Deepak G. Agarwal |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 3:01:42 PM
Its 5% down !!

days''s range 750-874
682. Deepak G. Agarwal |   Link |  Bookmark | August 10, 2017 2:42:33 PM
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