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204. Gangu |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 9:32:01 AM
Cheers... What a power packed listing.

Exited fully at 152..

For a change Tulsian is right finally onece.. Quote "Independent Analyst SP Tulsian is of the view that the shares of the company will list at a premium of 17.19% against the issue price. He notes, ``the shares of the company are likely to list around Rs150 taking issue price of Rs. 128 per share and having a grey market premium of Rs. 21 - Rs. 22"

GEM, muaaah. You are the only genuine IPO picker on this board. Keep it up.
203. gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 9:26:22 AM
prince,

now i think all the selling is absorbed, it nay inch up higher, no upside target beyond 155 from me, if i say 170 it may easily cross that since manipulation might have started.......

wait or sale at ur asking price it may be jubliant type listing wh knows? business are more or less similar means new-age business, both have high growth
202. IPO Master |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 9:24:46 AM
A slap on the face of all the short sellers who were shouting on top of their voices. Talwalkar up 23%
201. Atul Hisar |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 9:17:10 AM
Cheers

Talwalker is 20% up. A Slap to all bearer. Just shup your dam mouth......
200. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 6:11:54 AM
PRINCE
I THINK IT MUST CROSS 150 TODAY AT ANY PONT OF DAY
I WILL EXIT AT 150+
MARKET CONDS ARE BAD GLOBALLY, BUT IT MAY BE MANIPULATED AFTER 2-3 DAYS
199. Ipo Analysis |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 12:13:19 AM
Please bear in mind that company has allotted shares to its promoters at only 31 rs only in 2007 after bonus shares.

company has looted public for price worth 31 rs stock at 128 rs.

now promoters will earn on day1 by selling shares on listing even at 90 rs
198. Alert sell sell sell |   Link |  Bookmark | May 10, 2010 12:08:37 AM
Sell Talwalkar on opening to avoid further losses. this will be another shree ganesh jewellery listing.
all foreign investors and its promoters to get out of stock on listing and also market sentiment is weak.
stock not worth value of 40 rs also
Home » New Issues Analysis(IPO) » TALWALKARS BETTER VALUE FITNESS

Look for “better value” elsewhere
Talwalkars Better Value Fitness is entering the capital market on 21st April 2010, with a public issue of Rs.60.50 lakh equity shares of Rs.10 each, in the band of Rs.123 to Rs.128 per share. Thank god, atleast band is quite narrow with range of just Rs.5.

Talwalkar is a known name in Mumbai city for operating gymnasium, but is it worth Rs.300 crores of market capitalization or Rs.360 crores, of enterprise value? This is in the backdrop of the promoters of the company, operating about 11 gyms under the similar brand in their closely held companies and 13 gyms operated by the rival factions of the Talwalkar family. This is also, asking for an average valuation of Rs.4.25 crores per gym, against estimated cost of Rs.1.86 crores, for setting up a new gym.
The company is presently having 58 health clubs, in 28 cities of 12 states and is now planning to set up 27 new owned health clubs, with each, costing Rs.1.86 crores. The company also intends to mobilize Rs.20.60 crores, for repayment of part of its unsecured loans, which were at Rs.31.33 crores, as at 31-12-09. So exit is given to JV and Associates by repaying their loans from IPO proceeds.
The present equity base of the company is quite high at Rs.18.07 crores, which will rise to Rs.24.12 crores, post IPO. Infact, company issued shares at Rs.158.19 and Rs.222 per share (adjusted for FV of Rs.10) on 12-01-06 and 07-12-07. Even on 05-10-09, Shares were issued at Rs.635 per share, to the promoters of the company. So to compensate them, the company has issued bonus shares in the ratio of 7 shares for every 1 share held. Now that is what one can ‘better value’!

Coming on its financials, for FY09, it had a topline of Rs.59.42 crores, with PAT at Rs.5.69 crores, which has been its best ever performance, resulting in an EPS of Rs.3.15, on its present equity base. For 9 months ending Dec.09, total income was at Rs.48.82 crores, with PAT at Rs.4.29 crores, giving an annualized EPS of Rs.3.15 only. This indicates a fall in its margin in the current year with not much increase in its topline.
If we take an average issue price at Rs.125 per share, share is being issued at a PE multiple of about 40 times and at a PBV of 5.50 times. Even topline is being multiplied by over 5.50 times, on its EV basis. Asking for a valuation of Rs.4.25 crores per health club is exorbitant. This kind of valuations would not have been justified, even for a company having over 250 gyms or expected to have a market cap of over Rs.1,500 crores. So how this can be valid and justified for a mid size company like this?

Advise to look for value elsewhere and not to spoil your health by joining this IPO.
197. ipo ruler |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2010 10:35:30 PM
The stock will crash,crash and only crash.

But still retailers will not learn lesson from it. They would just go and apply any fool who wants to come to market.
196. PRINCE |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2010 9:58:52 PM
HI ,GEM
SIR TALWALKAR KOI IDEA LISTING PER KYA BHAV SE EXIT LENI CHAHIYE OR MKT DOWN JA RAHA HAI SHORT KARNA KAISA RAHE GA ?

PLEASE REPLY SIR,,,,,,,,,

PRINCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
195. jatin mittal SMC |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2010 10:04:14 AM
LISTING OF THIS IPO WILL BE ABOVE RS.155. YOU CAN SEE SOME EXPERT VIEW ABOUT LISTING GIVEN BELOW:

(1)Equity shares of Mumbai-based Talwalkars Better Value Fitness will list on May 10, 2010. The company has fixed issue price at Rs 128 as against the price band of Rs 123-128 a share.

Independent Analyst SP Tulsian is of the view that the shares of the company will list at a premium of 17.19% against the issue price. He notes, ``the shares of the company are likely to list around Rs150 taking issue price of Rs. 128 per share and having a grey market premium of Rs. 21 - Rs. 22.``

Talwalkars Better is one of the largest and oldest fitness chains in India. It operates 51 health clubs in 24 cities and serves over 55,000 members.The 6.05 million issue, which opened during April 21-23, was subscribed 28.39 times, as per data available on the NSE website. Reserved portion of qualified institutional investors got subscribed 35.4 times, non-institutional investors 51.5 times and retail investors 8.43 times.


(2)Equity shares of Mumbai-based Talwalkars Better Value Fitness will be listing on May 10, 2010. The company has fixed issue price at Rs 128, at higher end of price band of Rs 123-128 per share.

Mehta Equities expects the issue to open with a thumps up performance & expects listing gains around 15-20% on the day one.

The report says, "We believe TBVF being in the health, fitness and wellness industry has tremendous growth potential in an under-penetrated market like India. Following to this increased awareness about healthy lifestyle, the patronage of health clubs is bound to increase. The nascent industry is quite fragmented as small and many standalone players dominating in the field. This presents a strong case for the growth of an organised professional player like TBVF. With historic performance & management execution skill in rolling out new health clubs as per the plan proceeds acts as potential growth trigger in the near term. We believe, the business of TBVF is well placed & equipped to capitalise the growing opportunity in the wellness industry. Hence, this is the business where we recommend investors to build portfolio health
194. IpoKaBadshah |   Link |  Bookmark | May 9, 2010 1:25:20 AM
its 100% confirmed stock will list at 116 rs and will be having huge short position and will be dragged to 90 rs quickly.
those who get chance on opening sell it between 110-116 but it will only remain at that price for first 15 minutes only.
193. ds |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2010 8:47:25 PM
due to bad mkt position there r seller of ..TALWALKAR..in grey mkt at 16/-
192. VIKAS |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2010 5:38:28 PM
100 % listing @ 90/-
191. Rama |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2010 12:56:24 PM
Sell the following stocks if you have:

A(R)SS: this is ass company. shares are only held by some individuals. then being manipuated. this has the potential to become another thinksoft(negatively)
190. Akshat Shah |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2010 10:53:57 AM
DONT BE LATE.QUICKLY SELL IT ON OPENING.NO MATTER AT HOW MUCH IT OPENS JUST GO AHEAD AND SELL IT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GO FURTHER DOWN AND DOWN.
189. MEHUL SHAH |   Link |  Bookmark | May 8, 2010 9:03:07 AM
Dow Down 140, Asia, Eurpore all are in white wash condition & still dreaming Talwalkar will list at a premium. How Sensex & Nifty Can survive monday thats the key factor.
188. Nagamee |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2010 9:52:12 PM
No doubt about Talwalkar listing with a premium but my advice to all you guys exit at 15-20% gain, this no Jubilant or ARSS.
187. ds |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2010 6:58:44 PM
talwarkar ipo is going to list at good premium ,because some one in grey market has shorted talwarkars share..oppisition party is sitting tight...those who have any idea of shorting this share,please dont short on listing day..big trap is laid..stay away..
186. omega |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2010 5:22:58 PM
so are there any buzzing stockss???

any news ..breaking news..
185. omega |   Link |  Bookmark | May 7, 2010 5:21:55 PM
hi guys!!

was not here for a long time after the euro multivision ipo..so hows evry thing goingg.....

heard a lot about the RIL-RNRL today...cudn't hlp myself from logging in to