From this afternoon all gray mkt activity stopped due to fall in bse/nse Those who are interested in this counter may chk on Monday for qib / hni data Before subscribe(imo)
121. Kiaan| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 6:44:46 PM
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Satisfactory response , for third IPO in a week. QIB & HNI apply on the last day due to interest factor ( 2 holidays also).
Something to consider Compare with indostar capital 1)both r NBFCs 2)both promoters connection with Mauritius 3) placements before Ipo 4) valuations are high Indostar currently trading 40% discount after listing
120.2. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 11:57:21 AM
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Promotor of Indostar sold major stake to Brookfield and Brookfield made open offer for Indostar capital at Rs. 290 in Feb 2020. Original IPO price 3 years back was offered at Rs. 572.
120.3. JIgar A| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 4:15:27 PM
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@harit sir, Good to see u in this platform after longtime... Thanks sir....pl keep updating us...
120.4. Arunblr| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 5:34:03 PM
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@harit sir. Thank you for valuable post. Pl keep regularly update to this forum.
Reit of Brookfield Who are also stake holder in indostar
120.8. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
February 3, 2021 3:22:37 PM
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Yes, that is what I had mentioned few days back in this thread. The price is in range bound with thin quantity traded irrespective of ups and downs of market. May be operator is preparing his game plan...
119. Rafiq| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 2:23:34 PM
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3 Days more left. public already applied for 2 IPOs so taking their time.
this high price Imo is perfect for proverb....... Make hay while the Sun shines Another high valuation IPO is way to high just a week back they have issued to a private equity at 334 and they want to us subscribe 518. Financial is ok compare to it peers Aavas finance but compare it market leader HDFC or government company like LIC and PNB it way to highly priced. Anchor book is great all the big names however they have been wrong many times.
home loan is growing on indian economy general indian own their house out right however this has grown over time not sure what is ratio to GDP is very low single digit or low teen is the ratio i think.
As i said financial is excellent and growing however issue price is problem....so again i am avoiding this IPO
However one big positive for this IPO would be budget i have strong feeling finance minister to complete government mission housing for all may give additional incentives in this budget
so same as Indigo paints i am not applying also market is at all time high at 40 PE so i will not apply it will provide listing gain but IMO better player in the market and housing finance business is high risk business with NPA ok it better then other assets loan however over time if housing loan decays like the big 2008 fall was bcoz of sub prime loan.... and all these big anchors investors were directly involved in that financial disaster so do not give much importance of them subscribing.
116.1. Adv Sarin| Link| Bookmark|
January 21, 2021 5:38:50 PM
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Don''t expect anything from FM if she gives 10 before giving that she will take back 20. You are right The housing loans market is good & safe only on papers. As per latest figures 191000 flats are stuck in Noida/GNA only means around 1 lac crores. Most of these buyers have defaulted in loans. Some of these builders have run away after taking 80+% of buyers money and moreover loans from Banks were also taken. But now either they have vanished or in jail both way you cant get back money. So Housing Finance not very safe. Best example is Dewan Housing which went bust and along with themselves they took down the Yes Bank too.
116.2. mDelhi| Link| Bookmark|
January 21, 2021 6:45:26 PM
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I belief that Nirmala aunty will give lots of promises on 1st Feb. HOME FOR ALL. It will make business newspaper headlines on 2nd/3rd Feb.. By the time HFFC Shares should list with a good listing gain and we should book profit on listing day.
Later people will under the promise made was a JULMA and the stock price will fall again.
Yes, I am going to apply in this IPO. I will sell it on listing day at any price (without having a target) above the issue price. I belief that Nirmala aunty promises will keep Affordable Home Finance Company shares on demands at least for 2 days.
I am expecting 13-15 lakhs retail applications in this IPO . So it should oversubscribed by 5-6 time in this category. I am expecting 1 allotment out of 6 application.
मै SEPTA जी के विचारों का सम्मान करता हूँ।किंतु मेरे विचार मे हम IPO मे निवेश तुरन्त लाभ (listing gain) के लिए करते हैं, लम्बी अवधि के लिए अलग सोच रख कर,विश्लेषण करके निवेश किया जाना चाहिए। जिसके लिए secondary market है। IPO मे यदि GMP है तो निवेश करें वर्ना दूर रहेंं। अब BURGER का क्या होगा ,महँगा था या सस्ता, हमे मिला हमने बेच दिया, अब लेने वाला जाने उसका भाग्य,हमे फायदा हुआ। मै IPO के लिए सिर्फ GMP देखता हूँ।
116.8. RajBreaks| Link| Bookmark|
January 21, 2021 8:58:35 PM
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@Septa,
A Very Good Point You Have Mentioned Rs 334 To A Pvt Company And Rs 518 For Now. That Means, 100% Confirmed QIB & NII Will Be Very Very Cautious And With The Budget on 2nd Feb, This IPO Has Higher Chance To List With Very Less Profit Or Even Negative Listing Is Possible Too.
sir ji @septa avoid kyo karte hai grey market me gmp 180 chal raha hai .sub2 me sale karke apply kar sakte hai . HFFC ipo is coming @ very attractive price par aa raha hai .bada oaisa banne wala hai is ipo me . retail kam hi bharne wala hai so more chance of allotment in this ipo . apply with full force in this ipo .
116.10. Kishore S| Link| Bookmark|
January 21, 2021 9:01:12 PM
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Salaried will be made scape goats 🐐 again in the budget. It would be definitely good budget for others. They may announce incentives
Comparing HFFC with giants like HDFC will not be an apple to apple comparison. As HDFC has many other products while HFFC mainly caters to first time home buyers. Given good growth in affordable housing segments because of many government schemes. I think the company will maintain the good growth trajectory going forward.
114.1. P Patel| Link| Bookmark|
January 21, 2021 11:48:49 AM
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My personal view is HFFC as it has better growth track record compare to Stovecraft. Also in Stovecraft there is substantial rise in EPS in H12021 compare to FY1920, which I believe can be manipulated due to IPO plan.
Disclaimer: This is my personal analysis. Please take your own decision.
Both Stovecraft and HFFC are good as per current trends but allotment will lot easier in HFFC (35% retail) compared to Stovecraf (10% retail and small size). So it is better to apply in HFFC if you can apply only in one of them.
For 334Rs placements in oct-nov 20 where bse snx was 38000 to 39000 and currently 50000 doesn''t it important to take a note???(fir to jisne 890 me reliance me position li unhe 2000 nahi milna chahiye 1saal bhar me,-i m not comparing RII to HFFC , only example) When no one wanted to invest , WB has done it Though I m not justify valuation, it is costly but see past 10-15 ipo valuations Only uti,mazgon and IRFC were in comfortable valuation (imo) NBFCs not doing good in this bull market and remain dull for next 1-2years HFFC gmp is good , if someone feel fear then sell in gray sub 2 and apply
112.2. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 9:10:24 AM
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Are these promoters long term promoter like Reliance. Beside error in percentage comparison you need to understand that these funds are in it for quick profit. Their lockin is just one year Are they responsible for these companies. Show 5 cases of such fund invested companies and you will realise that promoter commitment is important
Dear Lekker It is foreign company Large stake held by clutch of foreign investor Apply for listing gain as well as long term Third issue coming this week so retail allotment will be liberal. Retail may be max 6 to 8 time. Because of fund shortage for retail otherwise it will subscribe above 10 time
111.1. lekker| Link| Bookmark|
January 22, 2021 9:04:22 AM
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Thank you Sir Now I am applying in all three.
110. Eagleye| Link| Bookmark|
January 20, 2021 3:52:27 PM
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Stove Kraft IPO – Schedule *(Tentative)*
20th Jan – Announcement of Price Band 22nd Jan – Anchor Investors Allotment 25th Jan – Offer Opens 28th Jan – Offer Closes 02nd Feb – Finalisation of Basis of Allotment 03rd Feb – Unblocking of ASBA Accounts 04th Feb – Credit of Equity Shares to Depository Accounts 05th Feb – Commencement of Trading
Stove Kraft IPO – Issue Information *(Tentative)*
Issue Opens on: 25 January 2021 Issue Closes on: 28 January 2021 Issue Type: Book Built Issue IPO Issue Size: 1,07,17,532 Shares Face Value: Rs.10/- per Share Issue Price: Rs.384 – Rs.385 Share *(Tentative)* Discount: NIL Market Lot: 38 Shares Listing At: NSE, BSE
Equity Shares outstanding prior to the Issue = 3,00,80,631 Shares Fresh Issue of 24,67,532 Shares @385/- = Rs.95.00Crs Offer for Sale of 82,50,000 Shares @385/- = Rs.317.63Crs Equity Shares outstanding after the Issue = 3,25,48,163 Shares
If you do have funds then take some risk. No body can guarantee listing gains. Looking at current trend seems will give decent gains unless there is something very very negative in budget.