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457. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 6:50:33 PM (500+ Posts)
@Lost in market,
If and when you come back to the market come with a fresh mind. Don't come with the idea of earning back the money you have lost. This thought may make you wild in chasing some stocks which will not help. Think that you are coming fresh and whatever you earn is profit rather than making up for your earlier loss.
456. KK Natarajan |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 6:44:05 PM (500+ Posts)
@Lost in market,
Ravi Bangalore has analysed your position to a nicety. The first thing you have to do is to understand the markets before investing anymore. You seem to be dreaming of 200% or 300% return in 1 or 2 days for the money you put in or expect 1000% return in a matter of months, which is not possible except in a few odd cases, that too for a few odd people.
By your message I understand that you are going to earn money in a few months time and come back. Be very very careful and don't put your money in unless under the guidance of experts. Once you put your money in don't panic on seeing it drop further. If you have selected really valuable stocks, they will move up, for which you have to wait.
To be in market requires a lot of patience. To do day trading requires a lot of skill. See how an experienced and skilled person like Ravi makes losses and books losses without hesitating. Some people never accept and book losses when they are small and wait hoping against hope for a magical turn around only to see the losses compound. I have done that very many times and still do it on some occasions, perhaps I have not learned my lessons fully.
In the heat of trading doing market time we normally forget what the experts have said and do wild goose chase. Write down a in a piece of paper the gist of what Ravi has said and always carry it with you and read it often.
455. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 5:28:53 PM
@Ravi, Bangalore. Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I think it is time for me to stop any kind of investment for a time being (at least for more than a month) and build some capital to invest again from new year. However, I still want to buy my old shares back as they are now more than 30k in value.

I know that Intraday will not work but my loss never allowed me to stop it strictly.

With such a low capital like 5 or 10k, subscription to a any 100% record broker house will also not work. I must have min 50k then only it will work. So that option is rules out for a time being.

I have plan to start SIP with min 6k/Month and invest around 1 Lakh by the end of 2011. I hope my selection of shares will be min 1000% in less than 3 years and I will be able to cover my loss. The only prob is that my immediate loss of 40k. Now one of the persons mentioned that I made mistake that I bought GAL at 82 as it will see downside form tomorrow. I hope that is should not happen and I will be more than happy to sell it above 100. Ideally it shud see 150+ level. Let's see.

Being a small trader is good idea but the problem is that in 2-3 months, market will be above 21000 or even more than that. In that case I will not get chance to buy shares at all or I will need to buy in very small Qnty. For example, whn Tata Motors was around 135, I could have bought min 10 or even 20 at that time, now I am not even able to buy 2 of this :( Same with LIC.

I wish I can recover my loss as earliest as possible before it becomes very difficult for me to recover it.

As my money is already at risk, can u pls suggest me few shares which I can buy for a month. May be they can make my 3500 into at least 20k in a month or at least 10k. I heard call about LCC Infotech.

Regards,
Akash...
454. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 4:54:48 PM (300+ Posts)
448. Lost in Market

1. It is unfortunate that you are faced with such heavy losses in a short span of time. The first step would be to stop doing what you have been doing. As the system you are presently following even if it be through an thebestbulls.com may not work for you because of little capital. You didn't get the hint that you suck at trading when you were only down 50%? Stop trading. save more. Cut your lifestyle - don't go out to eat, don't go on vacations etc.

2. Stop with the dreams of the fast "buck". Gold quickly slips through the hands of inexperienced trade who would require impossible returns of it. Dont worry though, think of it as a lesson. I too went through this same lesson. Be happy what is left of the money otherwise you could have lost this too.

3. If you don't have the stomach for it, don't day trade. There is no guarantee in stock market, as you might have painfully learned.

4. Trade with a plan-not with hope, greed, or fear. Plan where you will get in the market, how much you will risk on the trade, and where you will take your profits. You can avoid the emotionalism, the second guessing, the wondering, the agonizing, if you have a sound trading plan.

Next, you would have to heal yourself from this affliction of intraday trading. In most cases it is just an addiction and persons who indulge in it can afford to do so. Sometimes they win sometimes they loose and they are seemingly okay with the end result either ways.

5. Take your lumps, just be sure they are little lumps. Very successful traders generally have more losing trades than winning trades. They don't have any hang-ups about admitting they're wrong, and have the ability to close out losing positions quickly.

6. When you go stale, get out of the markets for a while. Intra-day trading is demanding, and can be draining-especially when you're losing. Step back; get away from it all to recharge your batteries.

7. Program your mind to accept many small losses. Program your mind to 'sit still' for a few large gains.

8. Recognize that fear, greed. ignorance, generosity, stupidity, impatience. self-delusion, etc., can cost you a lot more money than the market(s) going against you, and that there is no fundamental method to recognize these factors.

9. Client and broker must have rapport. Chemistry between RM and client is very important; the odds of picking the right RM the first time are remote. Pick a broker who will protect you from yourself...greed, ego, fear, subconscious desire to lose (actually true with some traders). Ask someone who trades if they know a good broker. If you find one who has room for you, give him your account.

10. Have a business-like approach to the markets. Anyone who is inclined to speculate during intra-day should look at speculation as a business, and treat it as such. Do not regard it as a pure gamble, as so many people do. If speculation is a business, anyone in that business should learn and understand it to the best of their ability.

11. Analyze your losses. Learn from your losses. They're expensive lessons; you paid for them. Most traders don't learn from their mistakes because they don't like to think about them.

12. Be a small trader for at least three months, then analyze your good trades and your bad ones. You can really learn more from your bad ones.

13. A speculator should have enough excess margin in his account to provide staying power so he can participate in big moves.

You would be required to reorient your thought process to shift to a longer holding period. Where a week or month is okay with you.

14. Don't use the markets to feed your need for excitement.

Now, you must realize that the stock market is a very specialized platform and without the knowledge and understanding of it you would be prone to make mistakes you have already made earlier. Further, that you are in it alone, and there are no free lunch tickets here.
453. the emperor of sharemarket |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 4:32:58 PM
HI "LOST IN MARKET"
I KNOW U R IN BIG LOSS. HAVE PATIENCE, IT WILL TAKE TIME TO RECOVER UR LOSS. DON'T BUY IN MARGIN. U HAVE DONE ANOTHER MISTAKE TO BUY GAL AT 82 . IT WILL LESS THAN ITS ISSUE PRICE .
452. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 4:07:34 PM
@460. Arti. I know all principles but my loss is so much so that I don't have any other way to cover this. Also, what else I can do to cover my loss if not cover through market?
451. Arti |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 4:02:35 PM
to "Lost in Market"
there is most fundamental and basic principle in the stock market "do not trade to cover the loss'
450. RAMESH SRIVASTAVA |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:57:32 PM
it will move up to 100 and further in coming days .
449. All Yours |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:56:11 PM
Remember what heppens in Gyscoal !!!!!!,as suggest don't catch the stk at high,wait for stk will down to ipo price,stk close at 80 rs on its 1st day
448. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:55:56 PM
@456. Ravi, Bangalore. Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I know that Intraday is not at all good for me and I lso knew that if I do it, I am going to lose all 25k also and it is almost confirmed now. I have hardly 3500+ today as cash and I bought more than 100 shares in Margin (GAL). If it goes down by 8-10 Rs. tomorrow, I will lose another 800-1000 Rs. and will have hardly 2500. My urgent req is min 35k (within a month) but I know that I will not be able to make 35k from just 3500.

Anyway, I am going to take a look at www.thebestbulls.com. Hope it will help me to cover my loss.

As of now I am holding GAL. Shud I sell it tomorrow ans buy GAEL again or buy :LCC Infotech as suggested by GEM?
447. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:41:05 PM (300+ Posts)
448. Lost in Market

1. For your position, intra-day trading is not advisable.

2. Don't trade using your mind. Programmed trading is essential. My friends subscribe for myfinanceguru.com, thebestbulls.com You can try for 10 days with just one share. At the end of 10 trading days if you are in profit, you can resume your normal trading as per their calls.

Ask for FREE TRIAL for 10 days. Share subscription amount with your friends.

GAL facing resistance in 90 & 101. It appears honey-moon is over unless it clears resistance area. Otherwise, traders may get Rs.2 - 3, but beggars trade for such small profits.
446. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:33:07 PM
@454. Srini. LCCINFOTECH is not showing any price on my screen. Not sure why? Anyway, will try to buy it tomorrow. Today I had GAEL and Jindal Poly in margin which I sold in loss and after that both went high and now also trading above my buy price. But I have GAL now which is in loss :(

Shud I buy GAEL again for target 55+ in a week. Or Jindal Poly for target 1000+ by the end of Nov.
445. Srini |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:27:21 PM (400+ Posts)
Lost in Market,

I sold on the same day which it came down from UC, later I bought at 16 assuming it wont hit LC's, now again its in UC's, I dont have any targets in mind, I have taken just 300 shares, BTW Gem has recommended LCCINFO for a target of 4, try to enter in that.
444. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:26:22 PM
450. Srini. I am about to lose my last 25k also as the value is hardly 3500 now :( If GAL does not see 150+ level in 2-3 days, I will be in loss. I wish I should have hold DMC as I had 650 and today's value would have been around 12000 :(
443. Santosh P |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:25:20 PM
Can anyone tell me why Gyscoal stock was moving down even if buying volumes were much higher than selling volume? Experts please reply.
442. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:24:39 PM
@450. Srini. I sold that in loss very next day. It is near 18 :( I should have hold it :( Whatever I buy goes down and if I sell, starts going up... Should I switch to DMC again for target 25 in a week. Also, how is Delta Corp fo target 150 in a 2 weeks or so?
441. Srini |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:21:53 PM (400+ Posts)
448. Lost in Market,

Are you holding DMC still?, it was around 18 now.
440. Ravi, Bangalore |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:20:37 PM (300+ Posts)
447. Vishal R

Bought GAL @ 102, sold @ 97. Shorted @ 92, covered @ 85.

Prestige bought at 206, M2M loss of 1945, yet to cover position.

BS Transcomm

1. bought @ 292, sold @ 314;
2. bought @ 320, sold @ 342;
3. bought @ 353, sold @ 387.
I would like to carry for tomorrow also. I will buy in the end. Do not hesitate to book loss tomorrow.

Investors, particularly new to market are not advised intra-day trading. It is punting & in punting, no excuse for making loss. Punters cannot tell our loss to relatives.
439. Lost in Market |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 3:18:40 PM
@ 445. Janmejay Gupta (Ravi). I bougnht GAL at 82. Will it see 155+ in 3-4 days. I bought in Margin so cannot hold for long term :(
438. Vishal R |   Link |  Bookmark | October 27, 2010 2:49:09 PM
I thought gyscoal to be manipulated, brought @ 102 & sold @ 95 when i realized that BS Trans going to be manipulated. Brought BS Trans @ 312 & sold @ Rs 365

Covered loss of gyscoal in BSTrans.

Regards